[WB62]

OMG YOU DON’T y KNOW HOW HAPPY I AM

For being a GO employee, one would assume you would know when the first one would be delivered, and I thought you were mad that they were painted in the new livery.
Have you noticed they got rid of the green stripes on the front and just added reflectors instead? I imagine that makes you mad too.

 

[Bordercollie]

Yeah I question why they didn’t just send the Series VII cabs that were built within this century off first, the ones they rebuilt don’t even have washrooms.

There is a need for more cab cars if they want to increase service. To order new ones are expensive and take longer. This is a good stop gap measure to make good use of what's available.

There are washrooms on other coaches, and regardless of when they were built they are basically the same. With updated HVAC, LED lights it gives them another 10+ years in service. Stop complaining that it's old, it works just the same.

 

[gotransitboyhere]

Lol no, I knew she was coming I just didn't see the pictures yet.

 

[WB62]

There is a need for more cab cars if they want to increase service. To order new ones are expensive and take longer. This is a good stop gap measure to make good use of what's available.

There are washrooms on other coaches, and regardless of when they were built they are basically the same. With updated HVAC, LED lights it gives them another 10+ years in service. Stop complaining that it's old, it works just the same.

Complaining? I think you’ve taken my message in the completely opposite way, I did not suggest ordering new cab cars, I was simply wondering why the ones that were built in 2008 and are currently used as coaches didn’t get rebuilt first, before the significantly older Series II ones. I have no idea why you assumed that was a complaint.

 

[T3G]

I do find the comment about the cab cars being "40 years" to be a bit out of left field, considering that they are all being upgraded to the same standard as the new ones and all the refurbished coaches ride just as well as the new coaches. Unless you are a buff, there is really no way to tell the difference between a refurbished old coach and a new one.

All of the newer coaches, which have been demoted to passenger cars, have been so at least since 2018, some of them earlier. The cars which are getting refurbished now underwent much the same treatment, but since they're in line to be refurbished now, it makes sense to reactivate them now rather than to bother with the unrefurbished Series VII cars which are not due for refurbishment at present.

 

[Bordercollie]

I do find the comment about the cab cars being "40 years" to be a bit out of left field, considering that they are all being upgraded to the same standard as the new ones and all the refurbished coaches ride just as well as the new coaches. Unless you are a buff, there is really no way to tell the difference between a refurbished old coach and a new one.

All of the newer coaches, which have been demoted to passenger cars, have been so at least since 2018, some of them earlier. The cars which are getting refurbished now underwent much the same treatment, but since they're in line to be refurbished now, it makes sense to reactivate them now rather than to bother with the unrefurbished Series VII cars which are not due for refurbishment at present.

Exactly. It's a matter of timing. The newer cars maybe next. There are still lots of cars in storage that need to be moved around.

Might be better to repurpose the surplus cars for the Northlander with different seats. If they are going to rebuild them and gut everything it would be easy to swap the seats to something more catered to long distances. New rolling stock would be at least 4 years out.

 

[Krypto98]

Lol no, I knew she was coming I just didn't see the pictures yet.

I doubt it... had I not notified the person who took the photos go206 was at macyard, nobody would have seen it until it was at Willowbrook

 

[turbanplanner]

I do find the comment about the cab cars being "40 years" to be a bit out of left field, considering that they are all being upgraded to the same standard as the new ones and all the refurbished coaches ride just as well as the new coaches. Unless you are a buff, there is really no way to tell the difference between a refurbished old coach and a new one.

All of the newer coaches, which have been demoted to passenger cars, have been so at least since 2018, some of them earlier. The cars which are getting refurbished now underwent much the same treatment, but since they're in line to be refurbished now, it makes sense to reactivate them now rather than to bother with the unrefurbished Series VII cars which are not due for refurbishment at present.

Because I feel there might be reliability issues. I've worked on 40 year old equipment and even with a large rebuild there are gremlins that pop up occasionally.

Also those newer ones ARE being refurbished, but permanently removing the controls so weather they are due or not a contract was signed to rebuild them afaik.

 

[turbanplanner]

Exactly. It's a matter of timing. The newer cars maybe next. There are still lots of cars in storage that need to be moved around.

Might be better to repurpose the surplus cars for the Northlander with different seats. If they are going to rebuild them and gut everything it would be easy to swap the seats to something more catered to long distances. New rolling stock would be at least 4 years out.

No, the newer cars are being permanently refusibhed into passenger coaches. I may be missing something though!

Metrolinx, Alstom sign agreement of refurbish 94 GO Transit coaches

The overhaul of the rail vehicles is being funded by the province as part of ongoing GO rail network expansion efforts.

www.masstransitmag.com

 

[RU479]

No, the newer cars are being permanently refusibhed into passenger coaches. I may be missing something though!

Metrolinx, Alstom sign agreement of refurbish 94 GO Transit coaches

The overhaul of the rail vehicles is being funded by the province as part of ongoing GO rail network expansion efforts.

www.masstransitmag.com

I believe you are talking about the Series VII former cab cars, being numbers 242-250.

I do not think there has ever been an official statement on what will happen to them, but all I’ve heard is that they will indeed be converted into coaches, and to be quite honest I do not know why. I just hope that it is not true because with GO expansion using electric locomotives with existing BiLevels, they will need all the cab cars they can get.

 

[cplchanb]

I believe you are talking about the Series VII former cab cars, being numbers 242-250.

I do not think there has ever been an official statement on what will happen to them, but all I’ve heard is that they will indeed be converted into coaches, and to be quite honest I do not know why. I just hope that it is not true because with GO expansion using electric locomotives with existing BiLevels, they will need all the cab cars they can get.

Im thinking thats Probably that's what they were planning to do all along and the first gen cab cars originally were supposed to be scrapped. However with this current electrification plan and the dropping of emus from the equation, now all of a sudden they need more cab cars and perhaps it was too contractually difficult to back out of the gen 7 conversion contract. I'd bet they indeed were originally planning on emus all along to replace most of the older bilevels but maybe sticker shock or the intense inflation put a wrench into it

 

[turbanplanner]

Im thinking thats Probably that's what they were planning to do all along and the first gen cab cars originally were supposed to be scrapped. However with this current electrification plan and the dropping of emus from the equation, now all of a sudden they need more cab cars and perhaps it was too contractually difficult to back out of the gen 7 conversion contract. I'd bet they indeed were originally planning on emus all along to replace most of the older bilevels but maybe sticker shock or the intense inflation put a wrench into it

This is honestly the only idea I can think of, but wasn't that contract only signed a few months ago?

 

[RU479]

This is honestly the only idea I can think of, but wasn't that contract only signed a few months ago?

Not only that, but the contract for Series II cab cars to be refurbished at ONR was signed in August of 2019, and by January 2021 there was already photo evidence of these cars being painted in the MX cab car scheme.

The contract for the Series VII cab cars was signed in December of 2021 so I doubt that it was the switch to electric locos that was the issue.

 

[cplchanb]

Not only that, but the contract for Series II cab cars to be refurbished at ONR was signed in August of 2019, and by January 2021 there was already photo evidence of these cars being painted in the MX cab car scheme.

Honestly it's anyone's guess on MLs logic or lack there of...maybe they're thinking is older is cheaper?? Still regardless trying to scrape out every inch of the walking dead is typical Canadian frugal/cheap Railway mentality.

 

[T3G]

Because I feel there might be reliability issues. I've worked on 40 year old equipment and even with a large rebuild there are gremlins that pop up occasionally.

Well, coaches are considerably less complex than self powered rail cars. I don't know exactly how intensive the refurbishment is, but if the coaches were stripped down to their bare shells and had new electric/HVAC systems installed that match those of the newer equipment, I don't really see that there is a lot of opportunity for things to go wrong compared to something with a propulsion package, for example.

Keep in mind too that the Series II cars have already been refurbished once, from 2002 to 2004. It's not as though we're dealing with cars that are untouched since being built.

Still regardless trying to scrape out every inch of the walking dead is typical Canadian frugal/cheap Railway mentality.

You may call it cheap. I, on the other hand, would not be very happy knowing that Metrolinx is junking coaches that could still be used for decades to come, just because some people have an aversion to old equipment. Fiscal responsibility should entail making what you have last as long as possible.