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Krypto98 said:
The top speed on the Oakville Sub is 90 mph but on the Grimsby it's only 60 meaning that you can use a mp40 all you want on the Grimsby but the timetable speed is the limiting factor...
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The CN timetable I have (admittedly several years old) indicates that the passenger track speed is 95 mph (153 km/h) for the Oakville sub from mile 6.5 (near TMC/Willowbrook) to 36.4 (beyond Aldershot).
The track speed for the Grimsby sub is 65 mph (112 km/h) from mile 2.8 to 39.0 (Niagara Falls to Hamilton), and 30 mph from 39.0 to 43.7 (through Hamilton).

Anyway, regardless of whether the Oakville sub track speed is 90 mph or 95 mph, the Niagara trains definitely did exceed 134 km/h when they were run by 8-car MP40s.

It's not the end of the world, but it's odd that they are scheduling F59s on one of the only runs which actually exceeded the top speed of an F59. Perhaps there's a weight-related reason they are putting them on the Niagara train? They are currently doing maintenance on the Welland Canal lift bridge, maybe GO/CN is hoping that the F59s are gentler on the bridge?

Krypto98 said:
On most Kitchener line train rides I've been on we barely hit 75 between stations.
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The Kitchener line doesn't have any speed limits above the 83 mph top speed of an F59. The Lakeshore Lines do.
 
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reaperexpress said:
The CN timetable I have (admittedly several years old) indicates that the passenger track speed is 95 mph (153 km/h) for the Oakville sub from mile 6.5 (near TMC/Willowbrook) to 36.4 (beyond Aldershot).
The track speed for the Grimsby sub is 65 mph (112 km/h) from mile 2.8 to 39.0 (Niagara Falls to Hamilton), and 30 mph from 39.0 to 43.7 (through Hamilton).
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I just double checked my current timetable and it is still 95 zone speed for the same mileage you gave. 50 mph for 36.4 to 36.9 and 30 mph for 36.9 to 39.3

On the Grimsby it's also the same as you stated with some 50-40 psos scattered around...

I'm not super familiar with the Oakville/Grimsby territory because I don't operate there...
 
gotransitboyhere said:
Hey does anyone remember MSTS GO Transit Route? or just MSTS in general.
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Yes but the trackage on there is now completely outdated...

reaperexpress said:
The Kitchener line doesn't have any speed limits above the 83 mph top speed of an F59. The Lakeshore Lines do.
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Actually as far as I know only the Lakeshore lines have above 90 mph speed limits... Stouffville if you count the section on the Kingston sub... even the GO sub has a maximum of around 60-80
 
Krypto98 said:
Yes but the trackage on there is now completely outdated...


Actually as far as I know only the Lakeshore lines have above 90 mph speed limits... Stouffville if you count the section on the Kingston sub... even the GO sub has a maximum of around 60-80
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I would think that they would be the same classification as HEP cars. So that would be 90-95MPH on the Kingston Sub.
 
It's so sad. My G. Grandfather drove an express steam train on a 225.5 miles (~ 360 km) run, which was scheduled for 4 hours, and they weren't allowed to be late! That's an average of 90 km/h and that included letting the passengers on and off, taking on water etc. He finished driving in 1952. GO and VIA can't hold a candle to the GWR 70+ years later.

AmJ
 
AnnetteMeetsJane said:
It's so sad. My G. Grandfather drove an express steam train on a 225.5 miles (~ 360 km) run, which was scheduled for 4 hours, and they weren't allowed to be late! That's an average of 90 km/h and that included letting the passengers on and off, taking on water etc. He finished driving in 1952. GO and VIA can't hold a candle to the GWR 70+ years later.
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Fun fact: every train in the Toronto - Ottawa - Montréal triangle averages more than 90 km/h, except for the westbound Ottawa-Montréal trains which reverse out of Montréal and do a three point turn en route.

I assume your 225.5 mile run on the GWR was the Toronto - Windsor route. VIA continues to cover that route in under 4 hours today, while still stopping at most of the stations.

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Krypto98 said:
Actually as far as I know only the Lakeshore lines have above 90 mph speed limits... Stouffville if you count the section on the Kingston sub... even the GO sub has a maximum of around 60-80
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GO Sub is 85.

Bordercollie said:
I would think that they would be the same classification as HEP cars. So that would be 90-95MPH on the Kingston Sub.
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There are now 3 passenger equipment speeds on portions of the CN network.

Passenger (P) is the "standard" passenger speed allowed. This is to be followed by HEP, HEP2, Amtrak, etc. until it exceeds the equipment's top speed.
LRC is an enhanced passenger speed for specific types of equipment.
Passenger Plus (P+) is a new-ish speed limit for GO's equipment on their own lines.

AnnetteMeetsJane said:
It's so sad. My G. Grandfather drove an express steam train on a 225.5 miles (~ 360 km) run, which was scheduled for 4 hours, and they weren't allowed to be late! That's an average of 90 km/h and that included letting the passengers on and off, taking on water etc. He finished driving in 1952. GO and VIA can't hold a candle to the GWR 70+ years later.

AmJ
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I love anecdotal stories like this.

Mainly because they show just how wrong many of these views that "things were much better back in the day!". And doesn't give any of the details - like the fact that trains back then didn't stop as often. Or that the frequency of service in many cases is actually better today.

Rose-coloured glasses are a funny thing. And so is memory - collective or otherwise.

Dan
 
smallspy said:
GO Sub is 85.


There are now 3 passenger equipment speeds on portions of the CN network.

Passenger (P) is the "standard" passenger speed allowed. This is to be followed by HEP, HEP2, Amtrak, etc. until it exceeds the equipment's top speed.
LRC is an enhanced passenger speed for specific types of equipment.
Passenger Plus (P+) is a new-ish speed limit for GO's equipment on their own lines.


I love anecdotal stories like this.

Mainly because they show just how wrong many of these views that "things were much better back in the day!". And doesn't give any of the details - like the fact that trains back then didn't stop as often. Or that the frequency of service in many cases is actually better today.

Rose-coloured glasses are a funny thing. And so is memory - collective or otherwise.

Dan
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I would lament the fact that they cared more about timeliness back then if grandpa's story checks out. These days the trains are late by 15-20min we shrug our shoulders. Anywhere else in Europe, especially Japan that would be unacceptable
 
smallspy said:
GO Sub is 85.


There are now 3 passenger equipment speeds on portions of the CN network.

Passenger (P) is the "standard" passenger speed allowed. This is to be followed by HEP, HEP2, Amtrak, etc. until it exceeds the equipment's top speed.
LRC is an enhanced passenger speed for specific types of equipment.
Passenger Plus (P+) is a new-ish speed limit for GO's equipment on their own lines.


I love anecdotal stories like this.

Mainly because they show just how wrong many of these views that "things were much better back in the day!". And doesn't give any of the details - like the fact that trains back then didn't stop as often. Or that the frequency of service in many cases is actually better today.

Rose-coloured glasses are a funny thing. And so is memory - collective or otherwise.

Dan
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What's the passenger+ speed?
 
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