[gotransitboyhere]

Any pictures?

 

[SaugeenJunction]

Supposedly the London Train rn is 10 cars with dual F59s

I believe this is the first time in nearly half a decade F59s were used on a 10 car train (not counting the L10L consists would bring it closer to a full decade)

They did!

 

[gotransitboyhere]

All I really have is that 201 has been refurbished

Is 201 completely refurbished or halfway, and BTW I really wanna see a photo of 201.

 

[RU479]

Only half way as of now

 

[gotransitboyhere]

Only half way as of now

OMG I Love it, last time I checked 212 it looked almost ready.

 

[gotransitboyhere]

Only half way as of now

Is there going to be reflector stripes or paint above the window?

 

[Garuda]

Supposedly the London Train rn is 10 cars with dual F59s

I believe this is the first time in nearly half a decade F59s were used on a 10 car train (not counting the L10L consists would bring it closer to a full decade)

This morning I watched the London Train depart Guelph with the dual F59 and using my grade 1 math skills I can confirm that there are indeed 10 cars. Great to see. Hopefully we’ll see this service made permanent and platforms extended.

 

[gotransitboyhere]

Loved grade 1 math skills

 

[reaperexpress]

Better start ordering those can cars.

Cab cars? I expect that a shift toward shorter trains is the reason that GO/ONR has been refurbishing old cab cars as cab cars (see above), as opposed to their previous plan which was to refurbish them as intermediate coach cars.

Did GO also mention something about new cab cars when they put out the tender for those new diesel locomotives?

 

[reaperexpress]

They used to have 12 car trains with 2 F59's. Nothing out of the ordinary.

That was back in the 90s as far as I am aware

Two problems:

1. The platforms weren't 12 cars long in the '90s
2. The MP40s didn't start arriving until 2007, so all 12-car trains from 2000-2007 also will have been operated by F59s.

There were still L10L F59 sets when I was living next to Danforth Station in 2015:

L10L F59 at 2:50 in the below video

Plus it’s still unique as it seemed like the F59s would be limited to 6-8 cars trains only for the last few years of their service lives.

They're limited to 6-8 cars per locomotive, hence why the London trains always have 2 locomotives.

 

[Bordercollie]

Cab cars? I expect that a shift toward shorter trains is the reason that GO/ONR has been refurbishing old cab cars as cab cars (see above), as opposed to their previous plan which was to refurbish them as intermediate coach cars.

Did GO also mention something about new cab cars when they put out the tender for those new diesel locomotives?

Five or so refurbished cab cars is not enough to increase capacity in the way they are planning for it.

 

[RU479]

Five or so refurbished cab cars is not enough to increase capacity in the way they are planning for it.

Actually it’d be more around 15 cab cars.

Also GO does have the option to also refurbish the 25 UTDC Built Cab Cars, so that’d give you an extra 40 cab cars.

 

[RU479]

Cab cars? I expect that a shift toward shorter trains is the reason that GO/ONR has been refurbishing old cab cars as cab cars (see above), as opposed to their previous plan which was to refurbish them as intermediate coach cars.

You see, what is confusing is that GO is not refurbishing all the old cab cars to lead again.

The Bombardier built Cab Cars (242-250), which are the ones being refurbished by Alstom, will supposedly be refurbished to become intermediate coach cars, only the Hawker Siddeley Cab Cars (200-214) will return as cab cars.

 

[nfitz]

The Bombardier built Cab Cars (242-250), which are the ones being refurbished by Alstom, will supposedly be refurbished to become intermediate coach cars, only the Hawker Siddeley Cab Cars (200-214) will return as cab cars.

I thought only the last few of the old-style cab cars had the better crash resistance - and not the early ones? I guess they are making some structural changes as well to the 200-214 cars?

 

[RU479]

I thought only the last few of the old-style cab cars had the better crash resistance - and not the early ones? I guess they are making some structural changes as well to the 200-214 cars?

I guess so

My theory on the matter is the old cab cars leading won’t be a long term thing

They’ll be used for the the expansion of services in 2025, and the beginning parts of electrification. But after a while will be scrapped in favour of EMUs when the system is more suited for them.

Considering the fact that 200-214 are already pretty old (they’ll be hitting the 40 years old mark by 2023), it’d make more sense to reuse them as it’d be easier to scrap them.