[T3G]

Random question: in the days of the cyclops-eyed cab cars, were trains run with one person, or where was the second crew member located?

Also, if one day in the future, someone bought a retired cab car from GO and wanted to restore it back to its as built condition without the second window on the front (I know, we are veering into severe fantasy territory here), would this be possible to do without a great deal of expense?

 

[RU479]

Random question: in the days of the cyclops-eyed cab cars, were trains run with one person, or where was the second crew member located?

Also, if one day in the future, someone bought a retired cab car from GO and wanted to restore it back to its as built condition without the second window on the front (I know, we are veering into severe fantasy territory here), would this be possible to do without a great deal of expense?

From what I've been told, there was a second crew member at some point, but they either had to stand, or lean on the door frame, or in some instances they'd tape off the seats near the cab so the conductor could sit there.

As for the rebuild to the original state, most of the currently decommissioned cab cars already had the partition wall on the conductor side removed, I'm not too sure but it doesn't seem it would be that hard or costly to have the window sealed up.

 

[drum118]

Random question: in the days of the cyclops-eyed cab cars, were trains run with one person, or where was the second crew member located?

Also, if one day in the future, someone bought a retired cab car from GO and wanted to restore it back to its as built condition without the second window on the front (I know, we are veering into severe fantasy territory here), would this be possible to do without a great deal of expense?

Have 2 people in the cab from my experience sitting behind them where that 2nd window was needed to see out it.

Seats were added at a later date for that person to sit down as well a table to write on.

 

[WB62]

The only thing that’s different between the decommissioned cabs and the very first ones GO had was the window in the cab door, and the extra window on the front, everything else is pretty much the same

 

[drum118]

The only thing that’s different between the decommissioned cabs and the very first ones GO had was the window in the cab door, and the extra window on the front, everything else is pretty much the same View attachment 522421

I stand to be corrected as it been too long since I been on one of the decommission cabs, but the door and wall were removed where the conduction sat with passengers seats replacing that area. The driver compartment was lock so the public could gain access to it.

What I remember is as time went on, the conductor got a seat and table that was follow by a wall and door that was closed to the public, even when the crew was at the other end. When the cab became coaches. the was removed and the conductor area block off until it was removed. Until that wall and door went up, you could hear the conversation of the crew and dispatch. I believe over time, seats behind the crew was place out service while the crew was there, but used by the riders when the crew was at the other end.

 

[smallspy]

Since it doesn't seem to be clear - the cab areas of the cars have had several iterations over the years.

As built, the cab allowed for only one crewman, the engineer. On the othe side of the car the seats backed against the solid wall, and the conductor would sit in those two seats. As seen in those photos, the cab doors originally opened outwards, blocking the end doors of the cars.

They then got a rebuild in the early 2000s, and had the second window placed there. The seats that backed to the wall were removed and replaced with a pair of seats the faced the window. But that area was still kept open for the public to use when the cab was trailing the trainset, or if it was marshalled in the middle. Around this time (or maybe even earlier), the cab doors were modified to open back into passenger compartment and latch against the cabinet behind the cab, rather than blocking off the end door (and more importantly, the emergency brake handle).

That only lasted a handful of years. A partition was put behind those two seats, and the door to the cab door was modified to allow for the entire front of the cab car to be blocked off by latching into the partition.

Dan

 

[RU479]

Now GO has moved the rebuilt cab cars into this line, which includes 204, 206, 208, 211, and 212.

 

[T3G]

Is that photo from today?

 

[RU479]

Is that photo from today?

Yes.

 

[robmausser]

i'm curious what percentage of old livery painted cars are left in the GO system?

 

[RU479]

i'm curious what percentage of old livery painted cars are left in the GO system?

I’m assuming less than 40% as from what I’ve seen it’s only the non refurbished Series II cars (which are all OOS), all the Series III and IV cars, some Series V, some Series VI, some Series VII, and most Series VIII cars.

 

[T3G]

i'm curious what percentage of old livery painted cars are left in the GO system?

I don't have any percentage figures, but from my observations of late, the following is still in the old colours:

-everything from Series II except for the infamous cab cars (56 cars)
-everything from Series III (62 cars)
-everything from Series IV (59 cars)
-22 coaches of Series V
-everything of Series VIII except for 2808, 2838-2857 and 2555-2560 (which would make 155 cars in the original colour, if I have put my figures through right)

That means 354 cars minimum.
Then there are still some coaches in the Series VI and VII group that are still in the old colours, but they seem to be getting repainted at the moment. No idea how many should still be left. This number includes any cars which are stored, as I'm not aware of any roster tracking that at the moment.

EDIT: Apparently there are no Series II coaches in service right now, as observed above. This is one disadvantage of having to edit all your photos RAW, it can take months before a whole batch is completed and you can tag it with fleet numbers, and you miss a lot of patterns.

Yes.

Thanks. That looks like a reasonable vantage point, perhaps my complaining will be answered...

 

[RU479]

203 now getting delivered to Toronto, on CN 450.

 

[SaugeenJunction]

Now GO has moved the rebuilt cab cars into this line, which includes 204, 206, 208, 211, and 212.
View attachment 522634

The foamer express.

 

[WB62]

Do you guys remember GOTransitBoy that used to come here? Wonder how they’re doing in life…