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reaperexpress said:
It's not just the tourists, there's also a ton of suburban development happening - it looks like Elora and Fergus will merge into one big suburban blob within a decade. I don't know who thought it was a good idea to approve such a big suburban expansion with literally no public transit, but in any case there will be a fairly large population who will be adding to traffic in southern Ontario unless we provide them a viable alternative.

Similar to your comment on Guelph, the Elora-Guelph bus service doesn't need to be run by GO but I suspect GO could deliver it cheaper than setting up a whole new Wellington County transit agency just for one or two routes. Maybe Wellington County could pitch in a small portion of the operating costs to GO in recognition of the cost savings it would bring them.

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It looks like this route would need to be scheduled for about 50 minutes per direction, so it would take 2 buses to run an hourly service timed to meet trains in Guelph. I think a park & ride at the south end of town would help capture some more of the population that isn't directly next to the bus route.
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Very nice. I suggest a slight step further south and start such a bus service from Aberfoyle Park & Ride. You can capture the 401 buses heading between Waterloo and Toronto (Route 25) and the University of Guelph.
 
reaperexpress said:
It's not just the tourists, there's also a ton of suburban development happening - it looks like Elora and Fergus will merge into one big suburban blob within a decade. I don't know who thought it was a good idea to approve such a big suburban expansion with literally no public transit, but in any case there will be a fairly large population who will be adding to traffic in southern Ontario unless we provide them a viable alternative.

Similar to your comment on Guelph, the Elora-Guelph bus service doesn't need to be run by GO but I suspect GO could deliver it cheaper than setting up a whole new Wellington County transit agency just for one or two routes. Maybe Wellington County could pitch in a small portion of the operating costs to GO in recognition of the cost savings it would bring them.

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It looks like this route would need to be scheduled for about 50 minutes per direction, so it would take 2 buses to run an hourly service timed to meet trains in Guelph. I think a park & ride at the south end of town would help capture some more of the population that isn't directly next to the bus route.
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In Amherstburg, Leamington, and Lakefield/Selwyn/Curve Lake FN, the services are contracted to the nearest urban transit service (Transit Windsor or Peterborough Transit). There’s nothing stopping Centre Wellington from contacting neighbouring Guelph to run the bus either.

There are two existing services that connect Elora and Fergus to Guelph already: RideWell, a county-run on-demand service that will connect to Guelph Transit, and the twice daily GOST bus. Neither are ideal for the purposes advocated here, of course, but they do exist.

Brant County also has an on-demand transit service, but I think there’s a need for a similar fixed route bus between Brantford and Paris, which has quite a lot of new urban sprawl.
 
urbancog said:
4th track on Western sub of the Kitchener line yesterday evening:
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I hope this fourth track will allow for express service on the Kitchener line. With all the stops being proposed & constructed along the Kitchener line just within Toronto, it's going to make for a very long ride for anyone travelling beyond Brampton.
 
Bojaxs said:
I hope this fourth track will allow for express service on the Kitchener line. With all the stops being proposed & constructed along the Kitchener line just within Toronto, it's going to make for a very long ride for anyone travelling beyond Brampton.
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You have to deal with the UPX from the Woodbine Station to Bloor for those 4 tracks that was to become 8 tracks at Lansdowne and to Union. From Woodbine to Torbram Road you have 4 tracks that become 3 tracks from Torbram Road to Bramalea Station. Until a 4th track is built from Bramalea to Georgetown, you have 3 tracks at the control of CN. There is enough room for 4 tracks in this area now with a few issues to get it in like Brampton Station. Until there is 2 tracks from Georgetown to KW with a few passing sidings, tough fight for an express from KW to Union from my pint of view.
 
drum118 said:
You have to deal with the UPX from the Woodbine Station to Bloor for those 4 tracks that was to become 8 tracks at Lansdowne and to Union. From Woodbine to Torbram Road you have 4 tracks that become 3 tracks from Torbram Road to Bramalea Station. Until a 4th track is built from Bramalea to Georgetown, you have 3 tracks at the control of CN. There is enough room for 4 tracks in this area now with a few issues to get it in like Brampton Station. Until there is 2 tracks from Georgetown to KW with a few passing sidings, tough fight for an express from KW to Union from my pint of view.
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I was more so thinking of an express train that heads to & from Bramalea. Similar to how Clarkson is the last & first station for the express service on the LSW line.
 
Bojaxs said:
I hope this fourth track will allow for express service on the Kitchener line. With all the stops being proposed & constructed along the Kitchener line just within Toronto, it's going to make for a very long ride for anyone travelling beyond Brampton.
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But there is already express service on the Kitchener Line though? PDF schedules.
 
SaugeenJunction said:
But there is already express service on the Kitchener Line though? PDF schedules.
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There is some, definitely - but it can be expanded significantly.

Back when Phil Verster held a town hall in Kitchener (which is still on youtube somewhere) , Greg Percy stated that the target timing for Kitchener to Toronto was 90 minutes. We are still a bit short of that. I would expect that more express service will arrive when the trackwork is done.

- Paul
 
reaperexpress said:
If the routes run every 30 minutes then it is possible to time them to meet the trains that run every 60 minutes. Those numbers are multiples of each other.

It is not necessary to improve frequencies to provide short wait times for transfers to/from the GO train. The GO train comes at 1 specific time per hour. For a quick transfer to a local route, all you need is 1 bus per hour to be there at that time. The routes have at least 2 buses per hour already and each route has its own bus bay at the terminal so that is not an insurmountable challenge.
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Right now the trains are not hourly, and buses aren't timed with the trains. The city has been pretty resistant to big change and i dont see them reconfiguring all the schedules to sync with trains when the vast majority of existing riders are within guelph and can benifit more from the existing schedules that have a few timed transfers in suburban areas. Im also not convinced the streets up to the downtown station could handle the traffic if most bus routes were to come into and leave the station at the same time. There are lots of tight blocks and signals. Increasing frequencies on core routes as is planned (lets hope its implemented) helps the issue on core routes while providing other benefits
 
crs1026 said:
There is some, definitely - but it can be expanded significantly.

Back when Phil Verster held a town hall in Kitchener (which is still on youtube somewhere) , Greg Percy stated that the target timing for Kitchener to Toronto was 90 minutes. We are still a bit short of that. I would expect that more express service will arrive when the trackwork is done.

- Paul
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Good memory and way faster then searching the Document Library on ML's website 😀
 
with the indycar race heading to unionville GO station and DTM next year one can hope and expect that the stoufville line will finally complete the necessary upgrades so that they can transport the 150000 people to/from the race.
Hopefully this can really stir up ML to finally act.

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urbancog said:
4th track on Western sub of the Kitchener line yesterday evening:
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Could you tell me where this is exactly? I'm not that great when it comes to location, lol.
 
cplchanb said:
with the indycar race heading to unionville GO station and DTM next year one can hope and expect that the stoufville line will finally complete the necessary upgrades so that they can transport the 150000 people to/from the race.
Hopefully this can really stir up ML to finally act.

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Predicting @crs1026 's reaction: better get moving on that West Highland Creek Bridge. Which, when completed, should be named the @crs1026 Bridge.
 
Allandale25 said:
Predicting @crs1026 's reaction: better get moving on that West Highland Creek Bridge. Which, when completed, should be named the @crs1026 Bridge.
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Would be nice if they could finish that bridge in time for the Markham Indy, but based on what we've seen so far I don't have high hopes. At least they completed the double track south of the bridge to Kennedy, which enables half-hourly service from Union to Unionville. Not great but at least it's twice as much as they currently run.
 
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