Toronto1834
Active Member
Do we actually know that though? The rule will be gone...but for the LRTs lifting the restrictions is more complicated than streetcars.
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jcam
Active Member
Agreed, no real need for airport extension if the UPX is driving to that 7.5 min frequency and stopping at Woodbine. Now, if Dixon ever warranted extra service, maybe a BRT from Scarlett Line 5 station up Scarlett and across Dixon to the airport (wide ROW, lots of density between Islington west to 401), then maybe I could back an extension to terminate at Dixon/27 to interchange with a BRT (maybe terminate in the land used for the NE Dixon/27 ramps adjacent to the Congress Centre) . But I'm not sure we're there any time soon.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
If one comes from northern parts of Toronto (along Finch), they wouldn't want to go downtown and then take the UPX or a bus from Line 2 or Line 5.
urbanclient
Senior Member
Am I misunderstanding? Woodbine GO is confirmed to be a UPX station, just one station away from Pearson? Or are you talking about the hypothetical BRTs?
Woodbine GO is less than 3 km south of Humber College station.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Except that there are no "One Fare Program" transfers between TTC and UPX. Only between TTC and GO (and surrounding regional transit). At this time.
lastcommodore
Active Member
Yes, but there is heavy push from the City to integrate it with one fare with fare restructuring. Last I checked they were pushing it over SCOW station
As UPX becomes an actual city-wide link and not just a shuttle to the airport, I think One Fare integration will be inevitable. Certainly easier both politically, time wise, and money wise, to integrate One Fare than a full-blown extension from Woodbine to Pearson.
urbanclient
Senior Member
Even if there is no UPX fare integration, the Kitchener line will stop at Woodbine. And if GO fare integration is cancelled, what are the chances someone would do a ~90 minute trip with 1-2 transfers (the buses are frequently late). Instead of a ~40 minute trip with 1 transfer to save $5.50-$6.00? (Local transit + 25-27 min from Woodbine to Union, depending on GO or UPX)
I think most people would value 50 minutes of their time more than $6.
jcam
Active Member
The much-talked-about Bill 98 is evidence that they are pushing towards full fare integration - my guess would be zoned fares. The "taking over" part that councils are currently making a showing of voting against allows MTO to do two things: 1) dictate fares [i.e. within a single municipality costs riders X while 1x boundary cross costs Y] and 2) referee fights where collective agreements won't allow cross-boundary provision of service. For example, YRT and TTC don't need, and shouldn't, have parallel service on Steeles if there is fare integration, so long as one of them provides (or both in coordination) the necessary headway. Theoretically it can be a win if the duplicative service resources are actually deployed somewhere else within that transit agency. I imagine with UP getting dedicated stations like Old Weston, the core service will be in a zoned far area with integration, and then perhaps there's a special additional top up to go into the airport (I believe Canada Line costs more leaving from YVR than it does coming in).
Now, theoretically everyone should be happy if they are made whole like they are under One Fare, but there's no guarantee on that.
urbanclient
Senior Member
I've used that example as well. It ironically makes Steeles very well served by buses, especially near Yonge.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Well that would inconvenience people and require them to transfer to the TTC.
nfitz
Superstar
I really doubt it, at least for TTC. The fare lines aren't long enough to allow that. Or located in the right place to get people transferring to bus and streetcars.
And on buses? Even London Engand, with many fare zones, doesn't do that on buses!