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FW36 said:
Three obvious stops to remove are
1. Driftwood
2. Duncanwoods
3. Stevenson

1.Driftwood is 300 meters from Jane. It's ridiculous to have stations that close to eachother. To keep the line connected to the Driftwood bus, the bus line could be rerouted to Tobermory. View attachment 705025

2.Duncanwoods is 380 meters from Pearldale and 380 meters from Milvan, with no bus connections. Pearldale is already serving the neighborhood, and there is an employment zone north of Milvan station. its clear Duncanwoods is the weak link.

3.Stevenson is 360 meters from albion station and 360 meters from kipling. Stevenson really is not needed at all being so close to Kipling and Albion.

Giving the lrt full priority and a reasonable speed limit would do wonders. I also think it should have followed a request to stop model because outside of rush hours, the stops in industrial areas are not used. With all those changes the line could run at 20 minutes end to end or less.
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I think you need to keep in mind that there is no supplementary bus service on this route. Just because you can walk 380m doesn't mean a senior citizen or someone with a disability can. It might be too close but to double it would be almost one km. If the downtown Streetcar on king St can be as fast as a car so can the Finch LRT.
 
For those discussing stop spacing on this route; its not a new conversation.

Back in February '24 I tried to offer some substantive basis for the discussion by documenting the distances between stops as they are; and what they would be if you removed an intevening stop:

Finch West Line 6 LRT

The stop spacing should be tailored to the role of each route. A city of Toronto size needs several trunk, high capacity subway routes, that help people get across the city faster. They cannot be fully substituted by GO trains, because in many cases there is no rail line in the right place and...
urbantoronto.ca urbantoronto.ca

If you then scroll down you'll see a post by me more specifically examining two stops for possible removal and why the decisions were made to include them and why removal may yet be warranted; but not quite that easy.
 
Bordercollie said:
I think you need to keep in mind that there is no supplementary bus service on this route. Just because you can walk 380m doesn't mean a senior citizen or someone with a disability can. It might be too close but to double it would be almost one km. If the downtown Streetcar on king St can be as fast as a car so can the Finch LRT.
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By this logic you could justify building a stop at every traffic light on Finch. The whole point of the LRT is to provide fast and reliable tranist not be a streetcar.
When removing Driftwood, Pearldale, stevenson stations are still about 700 meters apart, That is a 10 to 12 minute walk from one station to another, which is reasonable. If the city is worried about senior citizens or disabled people invest in wheel-trans or keep running local bus route. But also let's not exaggerate a 4 to 10 minute walk is not long.
 
If the decision to keep the # of stops 6 has is warranted because it's supposed to be bus-like stop spacing rather than metro-like stop spacing, 6 should act like it and add press for stop buttons. Those things are on buses & streetcars for a reason, not just to add some level of inconvenience but because the amount of stops means there are some trams with nobody getting off at that stop. Currently we're just splitting the baby where the tram will stop for nobody.
 
I think it is best to give them a few months for sorting the things out. If the TSP can be improved to the point where the line becomes reasonably fast, then no need to tweak the number of stops.

I don't believe 20 min / 30 kph can be realistically expected on a surface line. The goal should be about 25 kph average, that would be consistent with the modeling done in the early days of Transit City - essentually, that was the promised performance. That modeling predicted 22-23 kph for 400m average stop spacing, and 27 kph fopr 800m averahge stop spacing. The Finch route has average spacing ~630m, thus 25kph average speed is not unreasonable.

At 25 kph, the trip should take 10.7 * 60 / 25 = 26 min. Not perfect, but acceptable.
 
However, if the TSP alone does not help enough, then some harder choices will have to be made if we want this LRT line to become appealing for the riders. Either the operational practices will have to change: faster acceleration, top speed wherever possible, minimal waiting etc. Or, the number of stops has to be cut dramatically. Basically, stopping at the major intersections only. In the latter case, a reasonably frequent parallel bus service will be needed.

Obviously, TTC does not want to spend money on both the LRT service and the bus service in the same corridor. However, one should remember that slow LRT operation ties up more drivers than necessary. Speed up the LRT, and you have enough drivers released to run the buses.
 
Line 6 Finch West: No service between Martin Grove and Humber College stations due to a mechanical problem. Shuttle buses are on the way. says TTC.ca…proudly displayed at the top of the website in bright yellow caution background.

Tell me more about how LRTs work great in Toronto. And you have people on this forum threatening me to be quiet and not say anything because it annoys them. Imagine being a resident of Jane & Finch and having to ride this joke everyday….imagine how annoyed they must feel.But who are we inferior peons of the outer boroughs? We don’t count apparently….no….we’re told to SHUT UP and take it.

Shut up we won’t. This is Toronto whether you like it or not. Deal with the fallout for your decisions now and put up with people who demand basic functioning public transport.

Is that TOO MUCH to ask?
 
6ixGod said:
Line 6 Finch West: No service between Martin Grove and Humber College stations due to a mechanical problem. Shuttle buses are on the way. says TTC.ca…proudly displayed at the top of the website in bright yellow caution background.

Tell me more about how LRTs work great in Toronto. And you have people on this forum threatening me to be quiet and not say anything because it annoys them. Imagine being a resident of Jane & Finch and having to ride this joke everyday….imagine how annoyed they must feel.But who are we inferior peons of the outer boroughs? We don’t count apparently….no….we’re told to SHUT UP and take it.

Shut up we won’t. This is Toronto whether you like it or not. Deal with the fallout for your decisions now and put up with people who demand basic functioning public transport.

Is that TOO MUCH to ask?
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People don't argue with you because you want basic functioning public transport, and no one is threatening you to be quiet. We want you to be civil and polite to people who disagree with you, and to engage in arguments that are not based on partisanship and emotions. How do we know this? Because this entire post that seeks to discredit the concept of an LRT because of a mechanical problem - during inclement weather, no less - completely, totally, utterly ignores the fact that any subway operation that is not in a tunnel - and this includes the elevated rail this forum loves to hold up as an example of great urbanism - will ALSO be subject to problems because of the weather, and all types of subways experience mechanical problems, generally.

How hard is it to have a coherent set of facts at hand before getting to your soapbox? You are by all means entitled to your opinion, but you are NOT entitled to make up facts to suit your agenda, nor do you get to be ageist or call people "timid" or "small minded" because they dared to have a different opinion or you, or play the victim because you were called out for not debating like an adult. Grow up!
 
There is another major downside in this service is the sheltering at the station stops. I rode a portion of the line Wednesday (just to see it for myself) and on the return trip i had to wait at one of those stops for about 5 mins and i kept wishing that the stops would protect me from the weather as well bus stop shelters. You get much better sheltering from the elements at a bus stop than at the Finch LRT stops. The typical bus stops, though smallish, protect you well from the wind and precipitation when you go deep inside it. Whereas these stop shelters on this line barely protect you from precipitation and leave you fully exposed to wind and cold. ;
 
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Burnt creek said:
There is another major downside in this service that i haven't seen any mention of and that warrants serious discussions. And that is: the sheltering at the station stops. I rode a portion of the line Wednesday (just to see it for myself) and on the return trip i had to wait at one of those stops for about 5 mins and i kept wishing that the stops would protect me from the weather as well the shelters for bus stops. You get much better sheltering from the elements at a bus stop that than at the Finch LRT stops. The typical bus stops, though smallish, protect you well from the wind and precipitation when you go deep inside it whereas these stop shelters on this line barely protect you from precipitation and leave you fully exposed to wind and cold. ;
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The shelters installed on the Finch and Eglinton LRTs are useless in every way shape and form. Implemented by clowns who have no concept of how adequate shelter from the elements should be designed and put in place.

The one's being built on Hurontario are just as useless as well.
 
Amare said:
The shelters installed on the Finch and Eglinton LRTs are useless in every way shape and form. Implemented by clowns who have no concept of how adequate shelter from the elements should be designed and put in place.

The one's being built on Hurontario are just as useless as well.
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Welcome to the world of "value engineering". The government will spare every expense possible or a specific subset of voters will blow a gasket. From shelters that lack indoor space, to perpetual promises of platform doors, to always picking the lowest bidder and never learning from that mistake, to whatever the hell GO RER has become (not even Metrolinx knows anymore), if there is money to be saved the government will cut it in an effort to look "fiscally responsible".
 
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Line 6 Finch West: No service between Finch West and Humber College stations due to a mechanical problem. Shuttle buses are running between Finch West and Humber College.

It’s a FESTIVUS for the REST-OF-US….who would like to start the airing of grievances?

Burnt creek said:
There is another major downside in this service that i haven't seen any mention of and that warrants serious discussions. And that is: the sheltering at the station stops. I rode a portion of the line Wednesday (just to see it for myself) and on the return trip i had to wait at one of those stops for about 5 mins and i kept wishing that the stops would protect me from the weather as well the shelters for bus stops. You get much better sheltering from the elements at a bus stop that than at the Finch LRT stops. The typical bus stops, though smallish, protect you well from the wind and precipitation when you go deep inside it whereas these stop shelters on this line barely protect you from precipitation and leave you fully exposed to wind and cold. ;
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They were built like that because the geniuses behind “TrAnSiT cITy” didn’t think people would be waiting very long outside for a grey streetcar to arrive, one that’s completely at the mercy of left-turning cars and has effectively zero signal priority. “You’ll get from Finch West to Humber in 35 minutes!” they said. “Why would anyone need proper shelter?”.

Meanwhile here’s what the VIVA BRT shelters look like.
 
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