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Leo_Chan
Senior Member
Has a decision has already been made? The text of the post reads more like a proposal whereas the image looks like an announcement.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Long wait time works so long as the arrival times are consistent and accurate, which would allow for the riders to time when to wait. Otherwise no - the combination between unpredictable availability and the potential for missed rides is deadly. Transfers in this context is also a problem when one of the routes are not on time.
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urbanclient
Senior Member
You are speaking from a perspective of privilege. Many people don't own a car/can't afford to (especially given the car and insurance prices). There is a reason why the 36 bus was the most used bus route pre-covid.
For many, including myself before I turned 17, I wasn't able to just go hop in a car on a whim. I normally got to my bus stop 15-20 minutes early for the bus that came every 30 min to 1 hour. Would I rather risk waiting an extra 50 minutes or cancel my plans, or wait an extra 5-10 minutes?
You sound like you have not regularly, if ever taken the bus in a very long time, certainly not outside of Toronto proper. My point about getting to the stop 15-20 minutes holds true even in Toronto, whether it be buses that arrive too early at night, or buses that are mired in traffic during the day.
The 36 bus is local transit, nothing is rapid in Toronto except for the 3 subway lines, UP Express, and arguably some GO lines for some part of the day/week.
If driving a car had no economic costs, only benefits, we would all be driving cars, all the time.
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T3G
Senior Member
Even then, there's a lot of asterisks I would apply. Sure, you can time your journey from your door to the stop, but on the way back, you seldom have such an option. Especially at a lot of suburban transfer locations. If you're going to force people to wait long times, you must have climate controlled waiting areas.
To give an example, Milton GO station was rebuilt from late August to late September, during which process they knocked down the old bus shelters and erected new ones, but as of the last time I was there (Dec 1), they have yet to finish them, and passengers can't use them. The waiting areas on the GO platform are locked in the afternoon, and the station building has such limited operating hours that it may as well not exist, so my options were either to wait in an open bus shelter, when the temperature was below freezing, for around 15 minutes, or to ask a family member to pick me up. I know which option I chose.
A complaint has been filed with GO about the fact that in the span of two months they couldn't finish the bus shelters (and I have never seen any workers in them), but whether that will achieve anything remains to be seen.
Incorrect.
I moved to Canada 25 years ago and at the time we were so poor we had no alternative options but to use transit, in Scarborough. Today, my family of 5 is a one car family, and as a consequence I am a daily user of the Milton GO bus. Which blows chunks. I can count on two hands the number of times I've been at liberty to use our car instead of making an outlandishly long journey by transit this year, or worse, had to cancel altogether (as the Milton - Oakville bus does not run on weekends).
Doesn't mean it's acceptable to hold those who don't have a car hostage with bad frequencies. Just because lots of people who rely on poor quality bus services are poor doesn't make it acceptable to give them the bare minimum of service and pat ourselves on the back and say we did our job. Having to take the bus shouldn't be a tax on being poor.
Northern Light
Superstar
As with the Mayor the Minister is unambiguously saying the LRT must and will get faster.
That link, passed on to me, was sent by someone senior in government, indicating a desire to put out the message "We hear you, we're on it" .
That link, passed on to me, was sent by someone senior in government, indicating a desire to put out the message "We hear you, we're on it" .
urbanclient
Senior Member
I never encouraged bad frequencies for transit, I said even for the 10-15 minute bus network in Toronto, getting to the stop 15-20 minutes early is a habit that I like to adhere to. Otherwise, how am I supposed to get to my destination on time if the bus ends up being slow after I get on; and as said before, I can often catch a bus that is running early or an earlier bus that is incredibly late. Whether its a low-traffic night or rush-hour afternoon, getting to the bus stop very early can't hurt anybody, and I suspect a lot of people do the same. Comparing the Milton GO to city buses is not an apples to apples to comparison.
Back to the original topic, if you get to the stop 10 minutes early for a 10 minute frequency 36 bus at night, you either catch the earlier scheduled bus or you catch the bus that is running faster than scheduled. If you get to the stop exactly on-time, you would end up catching the next bus which is also running early. 3 buses with 5 - 15 minute frequencies. The issue you mentioned about buses running faster than scheduled is only a problem if you are trying to catch the last and first bus of the day/TTC time period.
Look at the end terminus arrival time gaps in the 4th column for these speedracer 36 bus drivers, almost all the gaps are below 15 minutes, with one exception due to one bus that never completed the trip, between 00:06 and 00:28. And that's for the end terminus, the actual schedule deviance is going to be smaller the closer you are to the starting terminus.
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Northern Light
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I'm putting this here, rather than the Bikeshare thread, as I have a question for those who have taken the new LRT.
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Bikeshare has not yet reinstalled any of its stations directly along the Finch West Line 6 route; which were removed to facilitate wrap-up of the project.
My question for riders here, is the road still a mess or does the sidewalk/boulevard area appear complete? It seems bizarre to have opened the line, implying project completion, yet have no Bikeshare integration on a route that was well served until 2 months ago.
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Bikeshare has not yet reinstalled any of its stations directly along the Finch West Line 6 route; which were removed to facilitate wrap-up of the project.
My question for riders here, is the road still a mess or does the sidewalk/boulevard area appear complete? It seems bizarre to have opened the line, implying project completion, yet have no Bikeshare integration on a route that was well served until 2 months ago.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
I was hanging around Jane and the MSF and the streets and sidewalk looked complete to me.
abovegrade
Active Member
It would be nice to see more urban regeneration from some Scandinavian/UK firms along finch (i'm looking at you SLA), to really make this a transit-oriented and pedestrian-friendly corridor.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
I just rode Line 6 westbound. Clocked in at roughly 47 minutes from Finch West to Humber College. Speed aside, my biggest gripe is that they automatically open the doors at every stop and leave them open. It's freezing in the train at Humber College.
Why not utilize the buttons on the doors? Keep them closed if no one is at the stop. This is what they do in Calgary with the C-trains.
EDIT: Heading back eastbound, a lot of riders don't seem to be paying their fare. I've lost count of how many people I've seen run and walk across the pedestrian crossing to catch the train and completely ignore the presto machines on the platforms.
Why not utilize the buttons on the doors? Keep them closed if no one is at the stop. This is what they do in Calgary with the C-trains.
EDIT: Heading back eastbound, a lot of riders don't seem to be paying their fare. I've lost count of how many people I've seen run and walk across the pedestrian crossing to catch the train and completely ignore the presto machines on the platforms.
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6ixGod
Active Member
'I know it can be faster': Mayor Chow looks to speed up Line 6 Finch West LRT amid complaints
Toronto Mayor Olivia Chow says she's taking steps to address complaints from TTC riders that the new Line 6 Finch West LRT is too slow.
toronto.citynews.ca
Your complaints and suggestions have made a difference.
6ixGod
Active Member
I have this same issue with GO Trains. They literally have buttons on the doors, but they open them up at every station and everyone in the lower carriage gets a whiff of that Arctic burn. It’s ridiculous.
Tuscani01
Senior Member
'I know it can be faster': Mayor Chow looks to speed up Line 6 Finch West LRT amid complaints
Toronto Mayor Olivia Chow says she's taking steps to address complaints from TTC riders that the new Line 6 Finch West LRT is too slow.
Your complaints and suggestions have made a difference.
Let's see what comes out of this motion. If its just asking staff to go back and study ways to make it faster, I wouldn't be surprised to see push back and the status quo remain. Hopefully it's worded in a way that requires the changes as opposed to asking staff to consider.
T-Bor
Active Member
After doubling back, it would appear that my fellow Fifth Columnists and I horribly mis-read T3Gs data.
The fact that the average trip time on the bus is like 35 minutes makes this whole debacle so, so much sadder