Obsidian
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The city Transportation department doesn't want it.
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Obsidian
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The public outcry might be larger than Ottawa when Eglinton opens with these slow speeds as well.
Northern Light
Superstar
Toronto. The panning of the speed has been wide spread on social and there has been negative media coverage.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
These left-hand turns wouldn't be a problem if they implemented what I recommended ages ago. That is to follow what many other street running LRTs do............they get rid of ALL the left-hand turns at intersections by designing the system to not need them. They do this by having U-turn lanes each-way mid-block controlled by lights. Some places actually have it for not only the transit running street but also all the cross streets. They found that not only does it make the trains much faster and reliable but also actually improves traffic flow on both roads and is safer for both pedestrians and cyclists. Basically the intersection become nothing more than a big "+" with just right hand turns allowed. LA has done this in sections of it's LRT street running lines and it made both the drivers and transit riders happier. People making left-hand turns were actually able to do it faster during rush-hours.
Of course this would have required planning and someone spending 10 minutes online out of 6 years to see how other cities solve the left-hand turn problem, but we all know that's FAR to much to ask from Metrolinx, a shockingly incompetent and corrupt body if ever there was one.
There is NO way this line should take more than 30 minutes end to end and they should aim for 20 minutes like Edmonton's similar Valley Line. That means no stopping at ANY light for ANY reason {except emergency vehicles} and getting rid of some of these superfluous stops, at least 5 of them. A supposed rapid transit line in the burbs should really only average about one station/stop per km and the fewer the stations, the easier it is to synchronize the lights and maintain schedules.
Of course this would have required planning and someone spending 10 minutes online out of 6 years to see how other cities solve the left-hand turn problem, but we all know that's FAR to much to ask from Metrolinx, a shockingly incompetent and corrupt body if ever there was one.
There is NO way this line should take more than 30 minutes end to end and they should aim for 20 minutes like Edmonton's similar Valley Line. That means no stopping at ANY light for ANY reason {except emergency vehicles} and getting rid of some of these superfluous stops, at least 5 of them. A supposed rapid transit line in the burbs should really only average about one station/stop per km and the fewer the stations, the easier it is to synchronize the lights and maintain schedules.
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christiesplits
Senior Member
Finch West LRT to be 10 minutes faster by spring, TTC says
AlvinofDiaspar
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Good, but then again, what did they expect? People under their watch was either asleep or couldn't be bothered to heed the warnings.
And why would *anyone* in these organizations believe that this "expected pace" is acceptable, to such an extent that they signed off on it before opening? It makes me question their suitability for continued involvement in transit planning - because it is very clear that user benefit isn't their clear priority.
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T-Bor
Active Member
So that would get one part of the journey down to roughly 37 minutes - let's hope that the journey out to Humber can save even more
Thaboss
Active Member
Absolutely!
I have been very encouraged by both the public and media coverage of this issue. For ones it's not ppl complaining about 10 different things with 10 possible solutions but rather everyone is in agreement here.
Going into an election year I suspect the mayor will want to address this. ESPECIALLY if eglinton lrt will have the same issue.
I think significantly improving speeds is a totally easy political win!
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Obsidian
Active Member
37 minutes is still slower than the bus.
hw621
Senior Member
Someone should start a petition.
T3G
Senior Member
Well, no, the average travel time for the bus is that much.
Finch West Line 6 LRT
"overdesigning, the cycle of lack of knowledge retention reliance on external consultants, inflated soft costs" Yeah, but lots of people including myself like to be technically correct. So there is a lot of "ummm ackshually, TTC/Metrolinx aren't that wasteful, we don't have slave labour and we...
And most of the time (read: not always) that's faster than the actual scheduled time. Besides, 37 would be shortening the journey time by almost 20 minutes compared to opening day, that's not bad at all. There may be room for more improvements if we raised the line top speed, though - I would be really interested in seeing what kind of average speed we would achieve if every LRV accelerated to track speed as fast as possible, and then maintained that speed until the next stop.
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T-Bor
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yes with zero traffic, but a few pages back someone showed data over a 24 hour period whereby the average bus took 51 minutes.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
On my way to North York to check out the Finch West LRT for the first time.
Will provide a brief reaction after I finish "hate- riding" the line.
Will provide a brief reaction after I finish "hate- riding" the line.
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urbanclient
Senior Member
That is straight up misinformation, the 36 bus' averages and medians for both ways are all below 37 minutes, except for the 37:20 median for Humber to Finch West. The current highest travel time for Line 6 is more than 60 minutes, and average Line 6 trips are near the highest travel time for the 36 bus at 52-63 minutes.
Top comment: "I was driving during rush hour and all the shuttle buses were packed while the trams were hardly full. By evening it looked like a majority of commuters intentionally chose the jam packed shuttle buses because it was much faster"
Obsidian
Active Member
in low traffic, the bus makes the trip in 31 minutes with more stops (see citytv report below).Well, no, the average travel time for the bus is that much.
Finch West Line 6 LRT
"overdesigning, the cycle of lack of knowledge retention reliance on external consultants, inflated soft costs" Yeah, but lots of people including myself like to be technically correct. So there is a lot of "ummm ackshually, TTC/Metrolinx aren't that wasteful, we don't have slave labour and we...urbantoronto.ca
And most of the time (read: not always) that's faster than the actual scheduled time. Besides, 37 would be shortening the journey time by almost 20 minutes compared to opening day, that's not bad at all. There may be room for more improvements if we raised the line top speed, though - I would be really interested in seeing what kind of average speed we would achieve if every LRV accelerated to track speed as fast as possible, and then maintained that speed until the next stop.
The LRT has no traffic and is aiming for 37 minutes????