[Monarch Butterfly]

For "safety", the TTC slows subway trains down to a crawl as they enter some stations. When the Yonge Subway opened, the trains,would come into the stations at full speed, not now. Instead of putting in platform doors, they directed the ATC or drivers to come crawl in, for "safety". Better way to "save money" than to "serve the public".

 

[robmausser]

For "safety", the TTC slows subway trains down to a crawl as they enter some stations. When the Yonge Subway opened, the trains,would come into the stations at full speed, not now. Instead of putting in platform doors, they directed the ATC or drivers to come crawl in, for "safety". Better way to "save money" than to "serve the public".

For "safety"

This is the most insideous problem with the TTC right now. Not the tech, not any other issues. This.

There is a ridiculous culture of over-the-top safety that is literally ruining the system.

One close call, and the entire system is forever and permanently put on training wheels.

In reality it has nothing to do with safety but rather government risk, and no one at the TTC having a spine.

 

[goodcitywhenfinished]

Apropos of nothing, we should be doing everything in our power to make sure Line 7 EELRT never sees the light of day. I'd even say scrap the WELRT at this point. Put the money that would go into those two projects into grade separated projects only.

The TTC and Transportation Services Toronto (reason we don't have signal priority) simply cannot be trusted to operate grade running rail infrastructure at first-world standards.

 

[yoshirocks702]

I just came back from a trip to Tokyo, and the way they run trains there is an eye opener. The JR trains running on multiple tracks in the middle of the city doing ~103km/h (via my phone’s gps) and whizzing by other trains on the track next to it is something I don't foresee us ever doing here, the trains there also fly into the stations but most have some type of platform doors.

Back in the spring when Metrolinx was still testing Finch, I was driving getting off the 400 and an LRV was flying down the tracks, Im guessing it was doing about 70-80km/h, it stopped at all the stations, I was driving slightly over the speed limit and I couldn't catch up to it. So they can definitely run this LRT much faster than what the TTC is planning.

 

[EnviroTO]

Yes, during testing before the TTC took over Finch West it was being tested at much higher speeds. I didn't expect that it would go over 60km/h, but I also didn't expect driving at a speed so no pedestrian or car, no matter how stupidly behaving they might be, could never be hit.

I notice they drive the Flexity streetcars slower than they used to drive the CLRVs too. The CLRVs seemed to hit a car every few months. I was on Harbourfront before the road shift and cars were stupidly cutting across in front of streetcars all the time. Back then I think there was some level of acceptance that dumb drivers exist but that it shouldn't hamper operations. Now if the longer LRVs hit something the news treats it like LRVs are a failed experiment, but the real failure is driving slow without light prioritization..

 

[Jonny5]

Yes, during testing before the TTC took over Finch West it was being tested at much higher speeds. I didn't expect that it would go over 60km/h, but I also didn't expect driving at a speed so no pedestrian or car, no matter how stupidly behaving they might be, could never be hit.

I notice they drive the Flexity streetcars slower than they used to drive the CLRVs too. The CLRVs seemed to hit a car every few months. I was on Harbourfront before the road shift and cars were stupidly cutting across in front of streetcars all the time. Back then I think there was some level of acceptance that dumb drivers exist but that it shouldn't hamper operations. Now if the longer LRVs hit something the news treats it like LRVs are a failed experiment, but the real failure is driving slow without light prioritization..

I recall back around 2010 I was at a party at a friends place next to Long Branch station. I left around midnight, and I took the 301 back downtown as the last eastbound GO train had already left, at least I think, or maybe I simply saw the streetcar in the loop and decided that was the best option.

I sat at the very back and that thing flew down Lake Shore so fast I thought once or twice the back section was going to derail as it was rocking back and forth where the road curved. Made it from Long Branch to Queen and Parliament in about 35 minutes.
Of course, most stops were not served until we got down to east of Dufferin when stops had people getting on that were heading home from a night out downtown, but it was amazing to see the actual speed capable down there on the Lake Shore to Roncesvalles section.

Speeds now are simply depressing to the point there's seriously much more of a time/money calculation that you do in your head at that time of night. Do I pay an extra $25 to get home 45 minutes faster? Probably a yes for me, especially when you are travelling with someone and split the bill.

 

[goodcitywhenfinished]

I just came back from a trip to Tokyo, and the way they run trains there is an eye opener. The JR trains running on multiple tracks in the middle of the city doing ~103km/h (via my phone’s gps) and whizzing by other trains on the track next to it is something I don't foresee us ever doing here, the trains there also fly into the stations but most have some type of platform doors.

Back in the spring when Metrolinx was still testing Finch, I was driving getting off the 400 and an LRV was flying down the tracks, Im guessing it was doing about 70-80km/h, it stopped at all the stations, I was driving slightly over the speed limit and I couldn't catch up to it. So they can definitely run this LRT much faster than what the TTC is planning.

I entirely suspect the TTC has applied the exact same operating standards from the streetcar system onto Line 6 and the grade sections of Line 5

I actually drove Finch from Finch West to hwy 400 last night and the one LRV I did see waited about 5 whole seconds after the transit signal turned green before moving forward.

Absolute insanity considering the time delay between the left turn advanced green and the transit signal green ALREADY ACCOUNTS FOR ANY CARS THAT MAY STILL BE IN THE INTERSECTION!!! God the TTC needs a reality check

 

[EnviroTO]

Yes, Lakeshore and 30th Street to Queen and Spadina (not putting in Parliament since that is beyond the Line 3 construction diversion) it is 1h 14min on the streetcar now. The fastest transit time is Lakeshore Line and Yonge line then walking from University back to Spadina in 56min with 25min of that being walking time because of streetcar speeds and infrequency. Car... 23min currently. Transit taking a little longer seems reasonable but 100% longer is a bad joke.

 

[EnviroTO]

I actually drove Finch from Finch West to hwy 400 last night and the one LRV I did see waited about 5 whole seconds after the transit signal turned green before moving forward.

For this to be practice they would need to have some checklist they are following to put the train in motion, which means we have gotten to a point where the only way to efficiently perform the checklist is to replace the driver with AI.

 

[JSF-1]

I entirely suspect the TTC has applied the exact same operating standards from the streetcar system onto Line 6 and the grade sections of Line 5

I actually drove Finch from Finch West to hwy 400 last night and the one LRV I did see waited about 5 whole seconds after the transit signal turned green before moving forward.

Absolute insanity considering the time delay between the left turn advanced green and the transit signal green ALREADY ACCOUNTS FOR ANY CARS THAT MAY STILL BE IN THE INTERSECTION!!! God the TTC needs a reality check

When doing my video for the Finch West Line I read that during testing ML was operating trains up to 60km/h, now of course that was probably without making any stops. Makes me wonder if maybe Metrolinx should be the ones operating the line and not the TTC. Hell has truly frozen over if ML is the better option. Plus maybe if Metrolinx asks Doug nicely he'd introduce legislation making it illegal to sue Metrolinx for any accidents on the line (like he did with cyclists), that would certainly eliminate the fear of litigation form operations. Of course this is all moot now as its in the TTC's hands and they we'll operate it the way they want, although I would like to see ML put pressure on the TTC to speed things up since ultimately ML still owns the line.

 

[Steve X]

When doing my video for the Finch West Line I read that during testing ML was operating trains up to 60km/h, now of course that was probably without making any stops. Makes me wonder if maybe Metrolinx should be the ones operating the line and not the TTC. Hell has truly frozen over if ML is the better option. Plus maybe if Metrolinx asks Doug nicely he'd introduce legislation making it illegal to sue Metrolinx for any accidents on the line (like he did with cyclists), that would certainly eliminate the fear of litigation form operations. Of course this is all moot now as its in the TTC's hands and they we'll operate it the way they want, although I would like to see ML put pressure on the TTC to speed things up since ultimately ML still owns the line.

They might need to pass it with notwithstanding clause which needs to be renewed every 5 years. Idiots will sue claiming they can be in danger from faster LRVs running. The bias judges will somehow support this claim.

 

[LNahid2000]

Apropos of nothing, we should be doing everything in our power to make sure Line 7 EELRT never sees the light of day.

I really hope this project never happens. With how fast/frequent the 905/986 buses are, this would definitely be spending billions of dollars to make commutes slower.

 

[PL1]

They might need to pass it with notwithstanding clause which needs to be renewed every 5 years. Idiots will sue claiming they can be in danger from faster LRVs running. The bias judges will somehow support this claim.

Biased judges? Please

 

[mr_content]

Apropos of nothing, we should be doing everything in our power to make sure Line 7 EELRT never sees the light of day. I'd even say scrap the WELRT at this point. Put the money that would go into those two projects into grade separated projects only.

The TTC and Transportation Services Toronto (reason we don't have signal priority) simply cannot be trusted to operate grade running rail infrastructure at first-world standards.

The proposed Line 7 would be a disastrous waste of resources but the Waterfront East "LRT" is fine, inasmuch as it's just an expansion of the legacy streetcar network into an area where it makes eminent sense to do it. Whether they can operate it like a proper tram service is a different question of course lol

 

[KhalilHeron]

I really hope this project never happens. With how fast/frequent the 905/986 buses are, this would definitely be spending billions of dollars to make commutes slower.

Not to mention that Eglinton East has several branchng routes using those bus lanes, many of which would be truncated, forcing an additional transfer to the lrt and slowing commutes east of the lrt that much more that much more. I don't believe the LRT we got was the perfect choice for Finch West, but it makes more sense than one on Eglinton East, imo.