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The marketing said 34 minutes end to end, for an average of 18 km/h. Now we're being told it could go as high as 46 minutes. JFC the hits keep on coming... 46 minutes implies an average speed of 13.4 km/h for a 10.3 km route. It is a farce that this is even on the TTC Subway map without a disclaimer.

The true subway speed is between 25-29km/h depending on Line and time of day (The service summary and navigation apps are not accurate).
It seems excessively slow. That's much slower than ION, which travels almost double the distance in that same 46 minutes.

I know Finch is using the beloved Citadis which is so near and dear to our hearts in Ottawa, and maybe that they are afraid of it going off the rails, quite literally
 
When was the decision made to name the "stops" on this line "Stations" (and who approved it)? It's intentionally misleading. There is one new station on this line, not 18, but all the marketing from TTC is showing "18 new stations". Why don't we add every single streetcar stop onto the "rapid transit" maps and signage while we're at it? This is laughable. All previous copy had used the term "stop" to refer to every single "stop/station" on Line 6, other than Humber College Station (and the existing Finch West) - why did this change?
 
Lol we spent billions of dollars to make trips slower on Finch West (due to increased wait times and the line barely being faster than the bus). I hate this city.
A bit premature... As Steve posted, the 46min is just a placeholder at this stage. Let's wait til it opens and they can work out the kinks...
Time to jam the inbox of those councillors...
Then, I'm all for what @hw621 suggested if we don't see improvement...
 
It's called average speed.
Congratulations on completely missing my point.

The point is that if best practices aren't followed on a mode of transport - ANY mode of transport - delays and inefficiencies arise. When poor operational practices result in an LRT line running slower than it could, you're all out here clamouring to have subways subways subways built everywhere instead, but when the same thing happens on the subway, you're all weirdly silent.

Call a spade a spade - admit that the GTA is no better at subway or bus operations than LRTs - or admit that you're letting your own bias against LRT colour your own perception and arguments. The double standards here are ASTONISHING. World class cities don't have oodles of slow zones that take months to remove, that weren't discovered until an entire line was shut down due to deferred maintenance.

The fact that they've bungled the Finch implementation, and will no doubt do the same on Eglinton, is not a compelling argument to have subways on those corridors instead. It's a compelling argument to criticize the implementation and push for better practices, including traffic priority and higher allowed speeds. Especially Finch, which is perfectly suited for an LRT - if you told a European that you were proposing to build a subway on that corridor instead, they'd laugh in your face.

Also, even the slow zones have a higher average speed than any LRT, streetcar, or bus route.
What a load of bunk! Have you ever ridden a bus in the suburbs? Or an LRT in Europe? With the sole exception of the Yorkdale-Lawrence West slow zone, all of the reduced speed zones have a maximum speed between 15 and 25 km/h, which buses and European LRTs routinely go faster than. Perhaps people would take your argument more seriously if you didn't make shit up in order to back your argument up.
 
I have to agree that this would make more sense and a more truthful representation of reality
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Sorry, but there's absolutely no justification for this laughable excuse of slow institutionalized molasses garbage that's about to be implemented on Finch West (speaking solely on vehicle speed here) but the TTC. I suspect the recovery time will also be a laughable joke as well because of whatever idiotic reason as well.

If the TTC isnt interested in providing travel at speeds that are actually decent and competent, then outsource the operation to someone who will. This non-sense has gone on for far too long, and it's simply inexcusable to spend billions of dollars to not maximize this line's operation because the TTC is too scared to do it.

This doesn't excuse Toronto Transportation Services for their own idiocy, but enough is enough. It's time someone takes responsibility for this abject stupidity going on.
 
B-b-but LRT supposed to be better than bus and subway 😢😢😢

The only thing we can hope is Metrolinx holding the TTC accountable for these practices, kind of like how they did when they wanted to run minimum service on Line 5.
 
For the life of me...why is the TTC afraid of speed???
It's not just a TTC thing, it's a North America thing. It's because we have a culture that a) prioritizes the illusion of safety above all else, and b) is so litigious that the only solution to anything is to restrict restrict restrict.

New York added a lot of timers on their subway in the 1990s that slowed trips down considerably, out of an abudance of caution after the Williamsburg Bridge accident.


Metrolinx is also like this. The speed limit around Renforth station is 20 km/h, and they're so fanatical about it they demanded that the TTC ban all buses without geofencing abilities so that they could strictly follow that speed. And if anyone on here actually used the transitway, they'd know that the part of it that is owned by MiWay is no speed demon either, despite being entirely grade separated and exactly the sort of transit solution that the anti-LRT types love to hype up. And it's going to be real fun when the new MCIs for GO enter service, too, as Transport Canada rules since September 2020 prohibit standees on buses with seatbelts.

Anyone who is going after LRT as being the problem is barking up the wrong tree entirely. Look around you, the problem is the safety culture that we have created.
 

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