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Admiral Beez said:
We can't operate the Hornets for five plus decades. Has any nation leased/rented Rafales or Typhoons as you suggest? I suppose we could buy 2nd Super Hornets or something else.
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Leasing is rare. And not sure if it's been done in those two types. But it's also not difficult between allies. Really depends on the lease. If we operate them for 5-7 years they might agree to do that, as part of a wider deal. Or we offer to take their older aircraft which let's them buy new replacements, keeping the production line going.
 
Midtown Urbanist said:
Saab salesman have been busy

Saab confirms negotiations with Portugal for sale of Gripen fighters as an alternative to F-35s​


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Saab confirma negociações com Portugal para venda de caças Gripen como alternativa aos F-35

Declarações de Nuno Melo sobre a imprevisibilidade dos EUA de Trump abriram porta à compra de aviões de combate europeus
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Until the US says 'no you won't' because it controls export rules on US strategic tech. The US want other countries to be less militarily dependent on them, but completely dependent on its industries.

This article displays the mindset of this Administration. They want tribute and fealty.

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Trump Adviser Releases Insane List of Demands for Tariffed Countries

Top White House economist Stephen Miran apparently wants free handouts from other nations.
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The non-diplomat in me wants to send them an invoice for our 14 years in Afghanistan helping them fight their NATO Article 5 'war on terror', and the next time they have to close their airspace, express sympathy and tell them 'that's quite a pickle you've got there - good luck with that'.
 

Australia and Canada Poised to Join British-led Sixth-Gen Jet Fighter Program​

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Australia and Canada Poised to Join British-led Sixth-Gen Jet Fighter Program

Trump's “America First” policy has those foreign partners looking to other options when it comes to military hardware.
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Don't think anything new-new mentioned here, but serves as a discussion piece. The sixth-gen fighter could become a common Commonwealth fighter, alongside with Italian and Japanese partnership.
 
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Looks like Peru may follow Brazil and Columbia’s example with the Gripen. These Swedes seem to be growing across Latin America, with both SAAB and IKEA rocking the zone. Maybe Peru’s MiG-29s and Mirages can go to Ukraine?

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Sweden authorizes the signing of agreements to finalize the sale of 12 Saab Gripen E/F fighter jets to the Peruvian Air Force

Building on the recent selection of the JAS-39 Gripen E/F by the Colombian Aerospace Force, Sweden is stepping up its efforts to position Saab’s fighter
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Midtown Urbanist said:
Saab salesman have been busy
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Agreed. And that would make Portugal the fourth NATO country to operate the Gripen. I don't think potential SAAB customers in the Americas or NATO need to worry about the Gripen's US-origin engine and potential White House vetoes. General Electric needs the business and would raise hell if POTUS declares that its engines cannot be licensed or sold to friendly states.
 
There's a great series of podcast interviews here from the Commander of 1 Canadian Air Division. This is the RCAF operational formation that handles most flying assets. The first episode (46) is mostly about his career. Halfway through the second episode (47) they start discussing future platforms. The last episode (48) is dedicated entirely to the future.

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The Pilot Project Podcast

The Pilot Project Podcast is an aviation podcast that aims to help new pilots learn what it takes to succeed in the world of flight, to help people in the flight training system learn what they may want to fly, and to give Canadians and the world a peek into life on the flight deck in the RCAF...
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It's worth a lesson. You'll see a very different institutional perspective compared to the public dialogue on military procurement.
 
Now that the election's settled (as far as a minority gov't can be), I wonder what PM Carney will decide on the F-35 buy. We can't run the forty-plus year old CF-18 Hornet for another four years without the first replacements beginning to arrive.

kEiThZ said:
Are the Americans going to allow it or veto? Muggles need to understand how ITAR works.
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There's no evidence that the White House would block international manufacturers using US tech and components (like SAAB or KAI) from selling to Canada. The point isn't to find systems without any US content, but to distribute Canada's defence spending more internationally.
 
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The first 18 are already paid for. This accounts for deliveries in 2026, 2027 and 2028. We've got about 12-18 months before progress payments start on deliveries from 2029 onwards. That's where decisions have to be made. By the way, the current Hornet fleet won't even start being pulled off the line till the 2030s.
 
Once we get them, we need our best programmers to figure out how to reprogram the software so that they can't be disabled by the Americans (as a top secret project of course).
 
junctionist said:
Once we get them, we need our best programmers to figure out how to reprogram the software so that they can't be disabled by the Americans (as a top secret project of course).
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Americans don't share source code with anybody. Even the UK. We contribute our personnel to a Four Eyes programming lab in the US for joint Four Eyes mission data files building:


MDF is just data. It's not actual source code.
 
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kEiThZ said:
Americans don't share source code with anybody. Even the UK. We contribute our personnel to a Four Eyes programming lab in the US for joint Four Eyes mission data files building:


MDF is just data. It's not actual source code.
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Of course they don't share it. That's why you need your own programmers to reverse engineer it for your own national security. But you keep that hidden in a lab in a small town somewhere in the middle of nowhere.
 
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