turbanplanner
Senior Member
I thought Sheppard east was going to be a subway extension
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bearcat
Active Member
I am sure they just took a screenshot from some ancient Metrolinx PDF for the diagram of the Scarborough subway extension in the CBC article, before it was confirmed the Sheppard extension will be a subway.
bearcat
Active Member
Do you know if what you are suggesting was ever seriously considered? Seems like a very reasonable idea. I guess the only downside is making the transfer from Eglinton LRT to Eglinton East LRT more difficult as you would need to take the subway for one stop, though I honestly have no idea it there would be a lot of people doing that transfer.
Northern Light
Superstar
The idea of a station at that location along the SSE was absolutely considered at various points, do I think it was ever seriously considered in conjunction with the EELRT? No. Certainly I'm not aware of that discussion having happened. I think when the City got more serious about the EELRT, they viewed the decision not to include an infill station as a given........and just moved on.
I think so.
Valid consideration, which to my knowledge, no modelling has been done for.
I intuitively assume (in the absence of modelling one cannot say for sure how correctly) that the majority of traffic presumed to be UTSC bound will be coming from Line 2 rather than Line 5.
ARG1
Senior Member
I could be completely off the mark here, but I have my doubts on how true this is. It obviously depends on specific patterns, but assuming the majority of people who transfer to Line 2 are headed downtown, I imagine most of that traffic will be diverted the Lakeshore East Line at either Guildwood or Eglinton/Bellamy, not to mention the presence of the DSBRT for those headed to UTSC proper. At the very least, I think there's reason to believe that the numbers are a lot closer than you're probably imagining it'd be.
Northern Light
Superstar
Possible.
But even if that were true, there's already a forced transfer at Kennedy from the Crosstown, so worst case scenario, my idea adds one additional transfer/wait, for a fairly frequent Line 2, but is offset by at least a 3 minute reduction in travel time by shifting the EELRT further east, all while producing the added value of a new station at the close to the same investment as currently proposed.
That said, overall, I remain opposed to the EELRT until we can demonstrate that it reduces the Line 2 to :UTSC travel time by at least 20%.
I also favour removing the section from UTSC northwards, which does create a potential issue around the MSF.
I think the needs of Malvern/North Scarborough are quite important but better served by other choices.
Aplus23
Active Member
I don't think they're going to divert to the lakeshore line. Wouldn't that be another cost by tapping on the go?
I'm an advocate for the LRT because of the reliability over busses, especially at night time. The frequency should offset the longer trip compared to RapidTO if that's even the case at all
ARG1
Senior Member
Considering this thing is opening 10+ years from now, I don't think it's reasonable to use the current fare structure as a baseline, especially when it seems like the subway might be using GO fares sooner than later.
LRT has higher frequencies than busses? News to me...
Northern Light
Superstar
A report to next week's Executive Ctte recommends wasting more money on very slowly advancing this project at a snail's pace, burning away cash on something going nowhere for the foreseeable future instead of investing the money wisely in more important and useful projects. Sigh.
JBR
Active Member
This seems like a giant waste of money if it’s a separate line than Line5. Might as well pay to build a subway stop at Brimley and then start this LRT from there.
I wonder if the old SRT platform could be used instead of a station in the Don Montgomery parking lot.
Also…where is this alternate MSF site? is it the SE corner of Morningside/401? Wasn’t that a garbage dump previously and would cost $$ to remediate? Guess the spur line out to Conlins is off the table now.
I wonder if the old SRT platform could be used instead of a station in the Don Montgomery parking lot.
Also…where is this alternate MSF site? is it the SE corner of Morningside/401? Wasn’t that a garbage dump previously and would cost $$ to remediate? Guess the spur line out to Conlins is off the table now.
Northern Light
Superstar
I specifically advised the City that a Brimley/Eglinton stop on the SSE better furthers the UTSC access objective at a considerably lesser cost.
Nope, it remains on the list, with other options added.
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There is a case to be made for spending dollars to provide improved transit access to the residents of Malvern and better access to UTSC (and York in other direction) from the north.
The province is aware of better options, so is the City, but that won't stop them burning money on this inane project.
Aplus23
Active Member
Well as a Scarborough resident, who lives along the Morningside corridor. The Eglinton east lrt would be a welcomed addition to our transit infrastructure and would actually be very useful to our end of our city. The Kingston Eglinton corridor is highly used for us Scarborough ppl on leaving Scarborough to you know, work, shop, visit attractions, and actually participate in this city. I only wish it was an elevated line but ino the masses wouldn't to spend that much money on Scarborough east.
Pre pandemic it use to take 45minutes+ to get to Kennedy station. Not to mention Malvern and along Ellesmere n Sheppard who could definitely use some transit options/variety.
But it's not waterfront property or deep in the heart of the city or expanding to some new bustling urban district where developers can enrich themselves, so it doesn't deserve much if any attention, smh lol
Pre pandemic it use to take 45minutes+ to get to Kennedy station. Not to mention Malvern and along Ellesmere n Sheppard who could definitely use some transit options/variety.
But it's not waterfront property or deep in the heart of the city or expanding to some new bustling urban district where developers can enrich themselves, so it doesn't deserve much if any attention, smh lol
Northern Light
Superstar
At what point did I suggest it wasn't important to serve this area with good transit?
I never did.
What I suggested is that there are far better ways to do so than this project.
The EELRT according to its own documents will not shave 1 minute off current travel times via the bus.
That's why its an incredibly foolish waste of resources.
But apparently you can't get behind the one option I've publicly noted above, which is an infill station the SSE at Brimley that would have 3-4 minutes off current travel times.......
The other options I've discussed with officials are not for public consumption just now....
Malvern will get better transit, as well it should, but the EELRT is negligible gain for a lot of $$$
There are better projects to serve this community.
Excuse me? The current proposal would dump billions into the area, as will the Sheppard extension. My alternatives aren't cheaper either, they simply deliver way more bang for the buck.
Aplus23
Active Member
I never mentioned you at all, you took it upon yourself to reply, I've seen plenty of post oppose to this line
No but the realibity,safety & convenience of an lrt is exponentially better than a bus. I agree tho, elevate the line for the majority of it.
An infill station of the SSE at brimley? So brimley would be the terminus station for the Danforth subway line and the Eglinton east connects there? If that is what you're suggesting that makes tons of sense too. I'm not oppose to that.
What projects have been put forth that replaces or improves the EELRT corridor, I haven't seen any
nfitz
Superstar
I don't understand what in the discussion leads to what appears to be defensive/offended comments like this. You provide great information and insights, but I don't understand the response to what's simple discussion, that doesn't disagree or challenge what you are saying.
The lack of a station at Brimely does seem like an oversight. I don't know why they couldn't simply have protected branching it, so that one branch, ultimately, goes to Scarborough/Centre Markham and the other would have started creeping down Eglinton to at least the GO and maybe Kingston.