[IanO]

Hello. If you’re referring to the green shack I walked entirely around it and saw no graffiti but then I’m old and half blind but really I didn’t see any.

Maybe painted over quickly, but there was a white tag.

 

[Greenspace]

The good news the green shack is fine this is the bad news.

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Graffiti on green shack and sidewalks has been removed by Parks Operation already. Mural Festival is working with City to determine best way to remove off the mural.

 

[IanO]

 

[David A]

Maybe I am an optimist, but I would be somewhere between stable and struggling. I suppose the answer depends on the time frame assumed in the question - if 10 years declining, 5 years struggling, last two years more stable.

Of course the question isn't about crime which is a factor, but so also were WFH, declining retail options downtown and a not strong corporate presence.

 

[policyenthusiast]

I'm like 99.5% sure the tagger is not trying to convince people that they made the mural.

To tag a mural is bad, but it feels a bit "old man yells at cloud" to be reflexively anti-graffiti (or at least to think of graffiti as a crisis that needs to be addressed). I was just in Chicago, Berlin, and Dresden (Neustadt) over the last month, and those are all (1) better cities than Edmonton and (2) have vastly more graffiti. Not that the graffiti is what makes them great, but it certainly doesn't make them noticeably worse.

It would be better if our graffiti artists had more talent, though.

Medicine Hat embraced the downtown graffiti with "mural fest", but as you noted the difference is that their artists had talent. We get this.

 

[SarcasticMarmot]

Medicine Hat embraced the downtown graffiti with "mural fest", but as you noted the difference is that their artists had talent. We get this.

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There has always been a difference between graffiti artists and taggers, even though law enforcement often conflates the two. Artists value aesthetic and talent and usually look for a large space to work on. The city has done a bang up job of quashing that group. There used to be a ton of great graffiti art in the McCauley-Boyle and surrounding neighborhoods. The City and business associations have covered almost all the good spaces with murals which artists are loath to cover. Most of the good art is now hidden underground or in far off corners. Taggers on the other hand just want to mess stuff up and put their "tag" on as much stuff as possible, maximum damage is the point. Sometimes its a territorial thing, but mostly its just to create a mess. They are nearly impossible to stop without the culture of those on the fringe thinking "That's not ok". The strongest allies in setting that culture were the artists, but we have chased them away so all we have are taggers.

 

[CplKlinger]

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What's the context here? ie what survey is this part of, when was it conducted, who did it, etc.?

 

[policyenthusiast]

What's the context here? ie what survey is this part of, when was it conducted, who did it, etc.?

It's Edmonton Chamber branding, so probably a poll at an in-person event?

 

[CplKlinger]

It's Edmonton Chamber branding, so probably a poll at an in-person event?

Ah ok, that makes sense. Thank you for (potentially) filling in some gaps

 

[The_Cat]

No I don't know exactly what you mean. You have already changed your narrative from the same people to the same kind of people. Cliches and generalizing does nothing to further the conversation. The social Justice warrior who complains about the police actions is not the same senior citizen who is terrified about riding transit who voices their concerns.

I thought I’d talk about the Valley Line West social disorder over here.

I’d be interested in seeing the turnover rates in vulnerable persons downtown.

 

[thommyjo]

….the bail system totally isn’t not working…

Man charged with attempted murder in NW Edmonton stabbing

A man who was out on bail after allegedly injuring three people, including a child, while reportedly driving impaired last year is now facing an attempted murder charge stemming from a series of incidents in northwest Edmonton earlier this month. The Edmonton Police Service alleges the accused...

edmonton.citynews.ca

 

[edm13]

….the bail system totally isn’t not working…

Man charged with attempted murder in NW Edmonton stabbing

A man who was out on bail after allegedly injuring three people, including a child, while reportedly driving impaired last year is now facing an attempted murder charge stemming from a series of incidents in northwest Edmonton earlier this month. The Edmonton Police Service alleges the accused...

edmonton.citynews.ca

It’s actually equal parts sad and comical to see how this could actually happen. Once they have proven themselves to be a repeat offender with nothing positive to add to society, despite many chances and supports, lock them up and throw away the key. How do we value this persons life more than all his past victims and future victims?

 

[The_Cat]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/data-shows-90-of-trespassing-tickets-on-edmonton-transit-go-to-those-with-no-fixed-address-1.7596580

 

[Barnaby]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/data-shows-90-of-trespassing-tickets-on-edmonton-transit-go-to-those-with-no-fixed-address-1.7596580

Everyone should be encouraged to follow the same rules. You can get ARC cards via means testing. This is a responsibility and mental health issue for the individual, but nobody is being singled out.

"Advocates" are infantilizing grown men.

 

[The_Cat]

I get so angry when the problem is blamed on Edmonton Transit, the Police or any other party on a regular basis.