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Great work on the stats but it's not murders we have to worry about here of what Ian's YYC buddies encountered. People who get shot are 99.9% criminal scumbags and deserve their come-uppins. It's the Zombieland freaks/ Fentanyl Hunchers that roam our DT freely looking for their next hit......while our Cops get paid Quadruple over time to watch over our non-violent hockey games/concerts.....
 
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ChazYEG said:
Numbers were down significantly in 2024, with Edmonton proper recording 2.3/100k and the CMA at 1.85/100k . Still not great, but fairly closer to the average for the city, and slightly below average for the CMA (1.92 for Canada in 2024).
Just for comparison, Calgary also went down to about 1.3/100k in the CMA and 1.7/100k in the city proper, which is a significantly smaller gap in 2024 over 2023,
The City of Toronto recorded a 3.1/100k in 2024 and the GTA 2.2/100k.
The City of Vancouver recorded roughly 2/100k and Vancouver Metro roughly 1.2/100k
City of Ottawa recorded 2.18/100k and the CMA recorded a 2.06/100k (higher than Edmonton's CMA)
Montreal recorded 1.54/100k and 1.35/100k respectively for city proper and CMA.

These numbers are all much closer than I expected, Toronto shocked me a bit, as did Ottawa. Edmonton's numbers have fallen off a cliff, compared to the rest, Vancouver and Calgary's remained relatively stable (but went down slightly) and Ottawa and Toronto have gone up. It's an interesting movement, and it's also curious that both Ontario cities have gone up quite a lot in their homicide rates. I did not go through the trouble of comparing other cities, as I am usually only interested in the big 5 (If Quebec or Winnipeg metros surpass 1M I'll consider talking about them).
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Interesting how crime throughout Edmonton ends up under downtown crime. Obviously perceptions still need a lot of work, but it is good to see some improvements for Edmonton vs. the recent past and elsewhere.
 
IanO said:
Expat friends from Calgary up in Edmonton this weekend for a night at The Westin with their fam with young kids.

Asked what happened to Downtown/this city and said the area around the RAM/AGA and Winspear felt unsafe and they would not be back to the CBD.

Good work is happening, far more positivity out there, but stories like this frustrate me.
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What's funny is I've heard the same thing from some family friends but with the Calgary CBD.
 
When I spoke to them I asked about that (he works right Downtown) and they said issues still there, but not anywhere near the same 'quantity' as here from their candid response.
 
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MacLac said:
Great work on the stats but it's not murders we have to worry about here or what Ian's YYC buddies encountered. People who get shot are 99.9% criminal scumbags and deserve their come-uppins. It's the Zombieland freaks/ Fenty Hunchers that roam our DT freely looking for their next hit......while our Cops get paid Quadruple time to watch over our non-violent hockey games/concerts.....
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Murder rates are generally a good index for other violent crime, but yeah, the perception around the drug addicts roaming DT needs to improve. In all fairness, most of them are relatively harmless, and the worst they'll do is scream. Maybe I am desensitized to it from living in places with much higher actual crime and social disorder, but I do think there's a good deal of prejudice going into the "unsafe" perception, usually stemming from the sheltered suburban life lots of people have, imo.
 
IanO said:
When I spoke to them I asked about that and they said issues still there, but not anywhere near the same 'quantity' as here from their candid response.
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Kinda funny, cuz I was in Calgary a few weeks ago and my perception compared to a year ago when I went for the Stampede was not good. It might be less visible due to them having more overall foot traffic, but it is not any better than Edmonton, IMO
 
I think that's it and my experience too, not much more or less, but far more folks out and about in general which makes it feel safer and normalized.
 
thommyjo said:
Murder…out 5 years later, murder again.

Change the system

edmontonjournal.com

Suspect arrested in connection with Edmonton homicide

Kyle Lauman, 35, was charged with second-degree murder, indignity to a body and possession of an offensive weapon.
edmontonjournal.com edmontonjournal.com
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In case you're looking for some context, this POS shot a NorQuest instructor at Jasper Ave and 119 St on Friday night.

globalnews.ca

NorQuest instructor shot dead in SUV on Jasper Avenue, 1st-degree murder charge laid | Globalnews.ca

A woman who taught at NorQuest College has been identified as the victim of a downtown shooting in which Edmonton police have laid first-degree murder charges.
globalnews.ca globalnews.ca
 
An outside perspective: when my parents and sister were visiting recently, not having been to either city in 20+ years, they also came out with the impression that there was more sketchiness in Calgary than in Edmonton (comparing e.g. East Village to east Downtown Edmonton/Boyle Street). I was surprised!
 
ChazYEG said:
Kinda funny, cuz I was in Calgary a few weeks ago and my perception compared to a year ago when I went for the Stampede was not good. It might be less visible due to them having more overall foot traffic, but it is not any better than Edmonton, IMO
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I also remember it not feeling so safe around the Calgary Westin when I went there some time ago, so its not just here. There is something about the core areas of cities that attracts all sorts and sometimes not good.
 
David A said:
I also remember it not feeling so safe around the Calgary Westin when I went there some time ago, so its not just here. There is something about the core areas of cities that attracts all sorts and sometimes not good.
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I don't think there's anything inherent about this; it's the result of some very North American planning decisions that contributed to, and were exacerbated by, the collapse of downtowns all over the continent. In Berlin, northern Neukölln (which is fairly central, but nothing like a downtown) are much sketchier than more downtown-ish Mitte or Kreuzberg. In Paris, the sketchier parts are mostly in the north of the city or in the suburbs.
 
ChazYEG said:
Murder rates are generally a good index for other violent crime, but yeah, the perception around the drug addicts roaming DT needs to improve. In all fairness, most of them are relatively harmless, and the worst they'll do is scream. Maybe I am desensitized to it from living in places with much higher actual crime and social disorder, but I do think there's a good deal of prejudice going into the "unsafe" perception, usually stemming from the sheltered suburban life lots of people have, imo.
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This is a very important point, social disorder is not the same as crime. Social disorder is about situations that make people feel uncomfortable or unsafe. While the person staying at the Westin this weekend was uncomfortable the more serious crime was actually happening about 20 blocks away.

However, we shouldn't dismiss social disorder either because if people start to avoid an area that has serious economic and social impacts. I would say it already has for our downtown core and probably the downtown cores of other cities as well.
 
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