DSCToronto
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Yes, I used to think he was generally quite sensible but not recently. His fingers are all over THIS too. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/th...cle_1005bdb2-e4db-11ef-960b-fb3fbcd6088f.html
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PL1
Senior Member
He rides almost daily, and commutes. Or at least he did. He and I traded the KOM on a Strava segment commute a couple of years back. Regardless, the person he is (or plays) now so not the person I voted for when he first ran a few years back. Disappointing on many issues
mburrrrr
Senior Member
Where are these daily, illegal (but free) accessibility permit (assuming CIBC construction workers) cars/trucks going to park?
No parking zone, some in a no standing zone, some too close to the traffic light. The Esplanade, south side east at Yonge.
Northern Light
Superstar
Ok.....first thing on this nonsense from Cllr. Bradford above...... lets look at this area:
So what's important to note here right off the bat is that during shuttle periods or the heavy buses for fireworks at the Beach, buses board on Strathmore, the side street on the left hand side of the picture.
There is space there for 3 conventional buses.
No, it doesn't work well, but I fail to understand the cycle track idea here. For one moment lets say, that buses pulling here would be fine, cyclists be damned....
But the TTC has never loaded buses on Woodbine here. The procedure hasn't changed in decades. The sidewalk here is dangerously narrow (the proposed development here by choice will more more than double it....the sidewalk is also obstructed by a garbage can, an old vending box stand, and an Info post, which limits its utility further. The actual clear'ish distance here only permits 2 buses, as opposed to 3 on Strathmore.
Grumble.....
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So what are better solutions?
A raised cycle track here is not a bad idea, given the narrow sidewalk, it would be overrun by pedestrians in a shutdown situation, given the current conditions, but that's no worse than being overrun by buses stopping. Its a fine idea, but not one that would actually improve shuttle operations.
There are a few different options for short-term ad hoc solutions. So there are ones that don't require expanding the station, building new entrances etc. Limited to altering sidewalks/cycle tracks/roads.
Here we go:
Whoops.... caption on lower right got cut off, Shuttles would do likewise.
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Longer term changes should include modifying the station bus terminal to allow for an artic being able to load, and more bus platform space. The bus driveway should exit further east on Strathmore, allowing for one of the loading buses on Strathmore to be an artic as well.
This has not been incorporated in the Choice proposal despite my strong suggestion....... because Bradford is a #!@#.
*****
Also, the station really should get a third exit directly to Cedarvale. This wouldn't help much w/shuttle operation but would alleviate crowding in such conditions, a little bit.
So what's important to note here right off the bat is that during shuttle periods or the heavy buses for fireworks at the Beach, buses board on Strathmore, the side street on the left hand side of the picture.
There is space there for 3 conventional buses.
No, it doesn't work well, but I fail to understand the cycle track idea here. For one moment lets say, that buses pulling here would be fine, cyclists be damned....
But the TTC has never loaded buses on Woodbine here. The procedure hasn't changed in decades. The sidewalk here is dangerously narrow (the proposed development here by choice will more more than double it....the sidewalk is also obstructed by a garbage can, an old vending box stand, and an Info post, which limits its utility further. The actual clear'ish distance here only permits 2 buses, as opposed to 3 on Strathmore.
Grumble.....
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So what are better solutions?
A raised cycle track here is not a bad idea, given the narrow sidewalk, it would be overrun by pedestrians in a shutdown situation, given the current conditions, but that's no worse than being overrun by buses stopping. Its a fine idea, but not one that would actually improve shuttle operations.
There are a few different options for short-term ad hoc solutions. So there are ones that don't require expanding the station, building new entrances etc. Limited to altering sidewalks/cycle tracks/roads.
Here we go:
Whoops.... caption on lower right got cut off, Shuttles would do likewise.
****
Longer term changes should include modifying the station bus terminal to allow for an artic being able to load, and more bus platform space. The bus driveway should exit further east on Strathmore, allowing for one of the loading buses on Strathmore to be an artic as well.
This has not been incorporated in the Choice proposal despite my strong suggestion....... because Bradford is a #!@#.
*****
Also, the station really should get a third exit directly to Cedarvale. This wouldn't help much w/shuttle operation but would alleviate crowding in such conditions, a little bit.
nfitz
Superstar
kotsy
Senior Member
Northern Light
Superstar
The substantive points of the piece:
1) The City and Province are having ongoing discussions.
2) The province has softened its position on removal in favour of, a way must be found to restore the lost lane (s) of traffic.
3) An internal MTO memo suggests the province is unlikely to pursue removals or other work before 2026.
4) Cycle Toronto is still taking the Province to Court over the whole issue of removals with that hearing scheduled for next week.
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TheGrimSweeper
New Member
Certainly doesn't seem like the province is in any hurry which is a positive.
Also seems like they are only talking about sections.
Working with the city is also great, remove on street parking or whatever it takes keep both.
Also seems like they are only talking about sections.
Working with the city is also great, remove on street parking or whatever it takes keep both.
generalcanada
Senior Member
id bet theyre specifically talking about Bloor west.
I remember chow mentioning offhand how the area by royal york could have its median removed to keep the bike lane.
Some theorized in the past how the government might just stop there and not do anything else.
Towered
Superstar
The median on that section of Bloor is a nice feature though. I'd much rather lose the parking spots.
tomatohat
New Member
Yeah, if the idea is to reduce gridlock and get cars moving, parked cars aren't moving! Street parking should be removed!
evandyk
Senior Member
This is true, but a handful of business owners there have Ford’s ear, and they believe (without evidence) that a handful of parking spots in front of their business are the key to their business’ survival.
DSCToronto
Superstar
This is a common misconception. The main reason that Market Street @ the St Lawrence Market is not 100% pedestrianised all year is that some Market merchants think their businesses will collapse if there is no parking 'at the door' - this is despite the fact that it has been closed for several summers and there is a huge Green P lot not more than 200 yards away with another about to open in the new North Market! (This inability to look at the evidence is similar to those, like Doug Ford, who clearly believe that the answer to gridlock is more roads - rather than less traffic!)
generalcanada
Senior Member
Its simpler than that.
For them and most businesses. they drive in to their business, so they assume everyone else does too
innsertnamehere
Superstar
The St Lawrence Market is a very different context than Bloor West Village.
While Bloor West Village is an urban format walkable main street, the majority of customers drive to the retail area.
Generally I am a fan of taking street parking off of arterial roads, particularly downtown where few to no people are driving for short errands and most people in cars are making "longer" trips, but a retail strip like Bloor West Village does actually have a lot of short vehicle trips. There are of course massive Green P lots to the north for people to park, but removal of on-street parking in the area would likely impact businesses which rely on short-stop shoppers.
It may not actually be that large of an impact - and is worth studying, but I think complete dismissal of the concern from businesses isn't appropriate (like it absolutely is for Market Street, where those business concerns are outright ridiculous).