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bearcat said:
All of your example have four tracks at the stations, hopefully that's also done here in Canada if such rural stations are built.
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I'll give you a Canadian example - the existing Corridor. Does every train stop at every station? Someone can correct me, but some stations are only served with some trains, even though all trains go by it.
 
micheal_can said:
I'll give you a Canadian example - the existing Corridor. Does every train stop at every station? Someone can correct me, but some stations are only served with some trains, even though all trains go by it.
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Can you give an example of when, ever, a VIA train has ever overtaken another VIA train at a station on the corridor.

It's 100% not comparable.
 
nfitz said:
Can you give an example of when, ever, a VIA train has ever overtaken another VIA train at a station on the corridor.

It's 100% not comparable.
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Ah, I missed the part of overtaking. I don't see why the new HSR would need to be overtaken. Having said that, no reason stations cannot have 4 tracks. The entire route does not need to be 4 tracks.
 
micheal_can said:
Ah, I missed the part of overtaking. I don't see why the new HSR would need to be overtaken. Having said that, no reason stations cannot have 4 tracks. The entire route does not need to be 4 tracks.
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My guess is that four tracks at HSR stations is at least done to allow express trains to pass through at full speed, as much as to allow for trains to be overtaken,
 
OK we'll build a four-track, grade-separated station for the 5,000 people in Tweed and the 5,500 in Perth and the 5,500 in Greater Havelock. Over the past 6 years the idea of stations there gradually disappeared because they really don't make any economic sense, and that was when the project was HFR, with level crossings. If anything pushes the planners into things like hydro corridors and greenfield alignments, it will be this, staying away from small conservative villages with 1/1000 of the population of the GTA using their clout to make sure Canada stays in the 1950s.
 
just east of the creek said:
I knew Sharbot Lake would make the list! Bring on the design renders for the station and the accompanying transit node!!
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If it follows the existing abandoned alignment it won't be high speed and if they move the alignment to increase speed it won't be through Sharbot Lake. Quite the conundrum for them to serve about 1400 people.
 
nfitz said:
That's a similar length to Toronto to Ottawa. Similarly spaced stations would let you put stations in (for example off the top of my head), Scarborough, Peterborough, Havelock, Madoc, Sharbot Lake, Perth, Smiths Falls, and Barrhaven!
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Maybe we're thinking too much in terms of current settlements. What's stopping a greenfield HSR station from being built with a completely new 150K+ city around it, like the Orbit at Innisfil?
 
Mihairokov said:
Do we consider Belleville a four track station where VIA trains can pass one another?
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No, it’s a 3-track station and there will be as little need of that for ALTO in the future as there is for VIA today, simply because they won’t be running more than 2 trains per hour and even if you added additional stations (i.e., in addition to DORV, OTTW, Peterborough and Eglinton/Kennedy/Agincourt) at Vaudreuil, ALEX, CSLM, SMTF, Perth, Sharbot Lake, Tweed and Havelock, you wouldn’t add enough travel time to get such an all-stop train in the way of the Express trains (assuming a very conservative 5 minute travel time loss per additional stop and a Local train departing Montreal 10 minutes after the Express trains).

If you compare the travel time of an Express Shinkansen traveling the Tokkaido (Tokyo-Nagoya-Osaka) Line with that of a Local Shinkansen in rush hour and one in the late in the evening, you will realize that most of the travel time losses are due to the number of trains overtaking rather than the actual station stop…
 
nfitz said:
Can you give an example of when, ever, a VIA train has ever overtaken another VIA train at a station on the corridor.

It's 100% not comparable.
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Beyond the fact that it has, in fact, been scheduled on VIA (many years ago, and only briefly).....

Why does that matter? The headways will not be such that you need to worry about having trains pass each other in stations.

Dan
 
CapitalSeven said:
OK we'll build a four-track, grade-separated station for the 5,000 people in Tweed and the 5,500 in Perth and the 5,500 in Greater Havelock. Over the past 6 years the idea of stations there gradually disappeared because they really don't make any economic sense, and that was when the project was HFR, with level crossings. If anything pushes the planners into things like hydro corridors and greenfield alignments, it will be this, staying away from small conservative villages with 1/1000 of the population of the GTA using their clout to make sure Canada stays in the 1950s.
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Interestingly, before it was announced,for some reason I thought those places were larger. After drawing out the lines on the map, I dug into their populations and found out how small they are. It might be worth having a local train stop once or twice a day, but only if any local trains are added.
 
What headways are we talking here? are we only looking at other countries HSR and going by their frequency?
 
generalcanada said:
What headways are we talking here? are we only looking at other countries HSR and going by their frequency?
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If you want to go into Union Station (and you absolutely should, as we’ve discussed ad nausea!), then it will be difficult to operate more than 2tph. If you need more capacity, you’d double the trains (e.g., coupling two 8-car trainsets together) before you really considering more departures. We are absolutely not going to see anything like Japanese or Chinese train frequencies, as our metropolitan areas are much smaller (and often further apart)…
 
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