[micheal_can]

with officials coming out and saying 2 stations will be needed to service toronto, agincourt is pretty much confirmed no? I can't imagine they would put it anywhere else and have it make sense.

That is why the initial station list was likely not the best thing to release. It seems to have caused too many people to think far too ridged about the route and stations. Yes, there does come a point where there would be too many,but one 30km away from another is not that bad for spacing.

 

[Thaboss]

agincourt is pretty much confirmed no

Nothing is confirmed.


Their are several north, north eastern, and eastern locations that could in theory make sense.

 

[stfeinberg]

Nothing is confirmed.


Their are several north, north eastern, and eastern locations that could in theory make sense.

people say this but realistically there are only two viable routes outta Union and the non Agincourt route would require significantly greater expenses and exprorpriation.

 

[guavadelic]

Whatever goes in the tunnel has to be electrified, so it's either GO's future electrified lines or ALTO. Over a decade ago planners came out with a concept for four-track two-platform tunnel directly beneath Union for Lakeshore GO and perhaps another pair of lines. Another idea was to reroute some of the lines from the Northwest into a tunnel under Front, ending around York. I would say taking some of GO traffic out of the elevated platforms to make room for ALTO is more obvious, but it could be the other way around.

The other possibility is putting ALTO elsewhere, such as East Harbour. That has connections to GO and TTC, and is near the core, which is where ALTO has clearly said they are headed. I think a line station on the lakeshore ROW is nearly impossible given the layout. What could be built more easily is an underground terminus with tracks northbound in a tunnel under the DVP. But that would put ALTO and VIA in different locations, which is Union-challenged. So even though it will be difficult to put something in the crowded area between John and Church, I think it needs to be done.

Hopefully any tunnelling and downtown station has a future-proof design that facilitates a western extension someday, to YYZ and points southwest, and not be built as a terminal station. The provincial government needs to be at the table and insist on it, because there is concern these decisions could get overlooked with how Quebec-centric the planning of the project seems to be.

 

[Adjei]

Hopefully any tunnelling and downtown station has a future-proof design that facilitates a western extension someday, to YYZ and points southwest, and not be built as a terminal station. The provincial government needs to be at the table and insist on it, because there is concern these decisions could get overlooked with how Quebec-centric the planning of the project seems to be.

Instead of focusing on this project Doug Ford is pushing that useless 401 tunnel.

 

[reinventingthewheel]

If you have slow internet that’s not my fault. If you’re in a bad mood or are having a bad day that’s also not my fault. I’m here contributing and having a healthy debate like everyone else and I can post whatever I want. Thanks dude

Ok but please refrain from reuploading the same images repeatedly, just quote them from your previous post. This is quite clear in the forum’s rules of conduct.

 

[Woodbridge_Heights]

Not sure how deep. But it’s doable to dig a tunnel, it’s just a heck lot of money but I think it’s possible.

You'll probably hit the water table quite quickly

 

[micheal_can]

You'll probably hit the water table quite quickly

I am guessing you assume none of the existing subway or PATH tunnels are below the water table? They have systems in place to deal with water tables.

 

[generalcanada]

I am guessing you assume none of the existing subway or PATH tunnels are below the water table? They have systems in place to deal with water tables.

crosstown flooding says its much harder than you think

 

[micheal_can]

crosstown flooding says its much harder than you think

Hurricane Sandy proved that there are always going to be challenges.

Consider how high up and far from the lake Crosstown is. Point is, yes flooding can occur, but mitigation solutions are built into the tunnels. Whether it is enough is on the engineers.

 

[urbanclient]

crosstown flooding says its much harder than you think

I gave the Wuhan example on a different thread. The Eglinton Crosstown having terrible build quality and design does not prove anything. By your logic, people should just give up building in areas with groundwater. Toronto is not unique with its high water table at all.

If metro stations in Wuhan do not have problems with humidity, with a much more humid climate, higher water table, and floodplain/wetland-dominated geography [...] (And if you know anything about Wuhan's climate, more sweaty people)

[Then that means Line 5 doesn't have] enough waterproofing, sump pumps, ventilation....

 

[StreetcarRider]

Oh nothing, just the Alto CEO breaking hearts on Radio-Canada regarding station locations.

Le PDG d'Alto de passage à Québec

Martin Imbleau a rencontré le maire Bruno Marchand pour parler de l'emplacement de la future gare de TGV.

ici.radio-canada.ca

Ottawa's station is likely going to be Tremblay and not downtown.

Gare du TGV à Ottawa : difficilement réalisable, dit Alto

La société qui pilote le projet de train à grande vitesse entre Toronto et Québec affirme qu'une gare au centre-ville d'Ottawa est difficilement réalisable.

ici.radio-canada.ca

Quebec City's station will not be downtown, and might be near the airport (at the western end of the tramway), but the train itself won't go to the airport.

TGV à Québec : la gare du Palais ne sera pas retenue

Alto, qui pilote le projet de train à grande vitesse entre Toronto et Québec, écarte la gare du Palais car elle ne coche pas plusieurs critères.

ici.radio-canada.ca

As for other places, the CEO says in the interview that station locations will be announced in the fall at the same time as the precise Ottawa-Montreal route and a more precise idea of the other routes.

According to Radio-Canada, in translation: "Four points are analyzed by the Alto group to determine the location of the station in each city: the price to get there, the increase in ridership, speed and inconvenience during construction."

 

[generalcanada]

They have systems in place to deal with water tables.

The Eglinton Crosstown having terrible build quality and design does not prove anything. By your logic, people should just give up building in areas with groundwater. Toronto is not unique with its high water table at all.

bad design or just hard and super expensive to build.

 

[Thaboss]

Quebec City's station will not be downtown, and might be near the airport (at the western end of the tramway), but the train itself won't go to the airport

Does the tramway itself go to the airport?

I'm not familiar enough with quebec city to know if this is a big deal tbh.

 

[tsm1072]

If I'm the government and Alto and needing a Toronto terminal, this would be my plan:
- Purchase the Novotel Hotel and Church Street parking garage & apartment
- the federal government pays to build a new affordable housing building to replace the church at building, build it larger, guarantee housing for existing residents along with additional affordable housing for the city
-Novotel hotel is renovated or replaced and becomes the station head house. Parking lot is shrunk to provide some parking still on the east side, west side becomes more of the station building.
- you probably need 2 through tracks (allowing access to the TMC further west) and 4 terminating tracks. Your 4 terminating tracks can be elevated over the North side of the rail corridor. You take over the two northernmost mainline tracks as your through tracks.
-elevated walkway connecting to union along the North side of the rail corridor. We already know the plan is for some union platforms to extend east of Young, so the west end of the Alto station is already at the East end of the union platforms.

It is almost definitely more complicated then I state here, but I feel like any attempt and an underground station near Union would add years of construction and complexity to the project over sticking to construction on the surface and elevated.