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I think they misread the country as hating Trudeau, when I think it was rather that they were tired of Trudeau. Their base hate Trudeau in their bones, but most people just wanted a change at the top. They thought PP could coast to victory on a wave of Trudeau hatred, and to be fair, their support is holding up. Carney is riding on the collapse of the NDP vote.
Carney has regained some liberal ground too. People were prepared to hold their noses and vote for PP because it was time for Trudeau to go. I also know a number of traditional PC voters who dislike PP but are ok with Carney

The NDP is appearing to be pretty much irrelevant in this election
 
Carney has regained some liberal ground too. People were prepared to hold their noses and vote for PP because it was time for Trudeau to go. I also know a number of traditional PC voters who dislike PP but are ok with Carney

The NDP is appearing to be pretty much irrelevant in this election

As an NDP supporter I'm voting for Bill Blair and the Liberals this election.

I firmly believe that Jagmeet Singh is as effective as a baseball bat at a gunfight. He should never have been leader and is nowhere near the right person to fight off Trump.

That said, I'm a Canadian. My priority is making sure my country is protected and safe, not the party for which I'm voting.
 
I never could take Jagmeet seriously. Not sure who will be poised to replace him but the NDP will need to do some soul searching.

Their problem started with Tom Mulcair.

When Tom took over they rejigged their party Constitution to remove references to socialism and the other values which defined the party since the days of Tommy Douglas.

They effectively moved closer to centre and away from what made the party great. The values that brought us universal healthcare and fought for Canadians under Jack Layton were abandoned.
 
Their problem started with Tom Mulcair.

When Tom took over they rejigged their party Constitution to remove references to socialism and the other values which defined the party since the days of Tommy Douglas.

They effectively moved closer to centre and away from what made the party great. The values that brought us universal healthcare and fought for Canadians under Jack Layton were abandoned.
Perhaps the NDP needs someone like Wab Kinew. Let's see what happens with the election, which is still 4+ weeks away. A lot can change for all three parties
 
Carney has regained some liberal ground too. People were prepared to hold their noses and vote for PP because it was time for Trudeau to go. I also know a number of traditional PC voters who dislike PP but are ok with Carney

The NDP is appearing to be pretty much irrelevant in this election

Well, people did want a change in government - from red Liberal to blue Liberal/red Tory - and PP's Conservative is anything but the latter.

Speaking of blue Liberal - where is John Manley?

AoD
 
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I never could take Jagmeet seriously. Not sure who will be poised to replace him but the NDP will need to do some soul searching.

Yikes.

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MP Han Dong, whose 2019 nomination was mired in controversy, was not re-nominated by the Liberals in Don Valley North. The Grits nominated Maggie Chi in his place.

Han Dong's statement is here.

While Dong was exonerated by the Ontario Superior Court judge on the Globe and Mail's allegations, I suspect he still may have contravened Liberal Party policies during the nomination or his tenure in office, thus leading to his dismissal.
 
Their problem started with Tom Mulcair.

When Tom took over they rejigged their party Constitution to remove references to socialism and the other values which defined the party since the days of Tommy Douglas.

They effectively moved closer to centre and away from what made the party great. The values that brought us universal healthcare and fought for Canadians under Jack Layton were abandoned.

Yep, i voted NDP during the Layton years. Mulcair lost me when they removed "socialism" from the playbook, like it's some kind of bad word.

Layton was the real deal. I bumped into him years ago walking to work on the Danforth on a cold snowy winter day. He was traveling around on his bicycle! We had a quick chat. but i thought damn... props to a guy like that cycling on such a cold snowy winter day. Jagmeet would be in his top of the line BWM wearing an expensive bespoke suit.
 
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Layton was the read deal. I bumped into him years ago walking to work on the Danforth on a cold snowy winter day. He was traveling around on his bicycle! We had a quick chat. but i thought damn... props to a guy like that cycling on such a cold snowy winter day. Jagmeet would be in his top of the line BWM wearing an expensive bespoke suit.

Agreed.

Jack and I had a chat in the labour day parade circa 2007.

We ended up going for beers at the end of the parade.
 
If there's any justice here, the Liberals took that very chance away from Singh to sink their government. So the one-hit wonder wasn't so much of a hit...
 
I find the dumping on Mulcair weird.

He had great environmental bona fides, having been Environment Minister in Liberal Quebec government and resigning rather that do something he thought was bad for the environment.

As NDP leader, his campaign centred on Universal Pharmacare and Dentalcare.

Good solid NDP values stuff.

He had high approval numbers going into the election.

A combination of Trudeau gaining momentum, in part from a really smart commercial (go back and look at the escalator ad, as i call it), as well as his Pot and Electoral Reform promises, left the NDP down a bit, and the ABC (Anything but Conservative) vote coalescing around Justin.,

The idea that Mulcair was exceptionally centrist, or betrayed leftists is utter nonsense to me.

He promised, if elected to take the country markedly to the left and improve social fairness........ his platform had the added value of being costed and credible.

The media certainly put their thumbs on the scale a bit once Trudeau picked up steam.

At the same time, the fair knock on Mulcair is that he was a policy wonk, and a solid speaker in both languages, but that he didn't give people the warm fuzzies.

He wasn't quite a leftist version of Harper, but did give on off a certain technocratic vibe.

Where Justin.....well, lets be honest, many women were particularly taken by him; he was all smiles, and relatively accessible as compared with the then rather dour Mr. Harper as PM, and the attitudinal shift is one that some very much wanted.

Mulcair wasn't an idealist, he was a pragmatist with a bent for social fairness and progress.

I think he's one of the better PMs we never had.
 
If there's any justice here, the Liberals took that very chance away from Singh to sink their government. So the one-hit wonder wasn't so much of a hit...

In my opinion that was one of his many faults.

Jagmeet was more concerned with himself and hearing himself talk than doing what was needed for Canadians.

Yes, it did give time for the liberals to rediscover themselves but at the same time he needed to read the room.

I'm sorry but he didn't do himself any favors propping up Trudeau
 
I think he's one of the better PMs we never had.

There's a reason the party turfed him in 2015.

Hindsight is 20/20 but truthfully he wasn't the next Jack Layton. Jack was the best PM we never had.

Tom was ok but he was in over his head.

My formerly good friend Dan Harris was the NDP MP for Scarborough Southwest and I was on their executive at the time.

I had insight into the NDP from 2011 to 2015 and made a few connections in Ottawa. Tom wasn't terrible but everyone had lofty expectations after Jacks rise to power that he couldn't meet.
 

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