UtakataNoAnnex
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...being dream states, the returns on those are much, much more rewarding.
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Northern Light
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Yes, but those 'welfare states' didn't come into existence overnight, or with a doubling of taxation in one year.
They were built mostly incrementally over 3 decades with the occasional leap forward.
With 20% VAT we could deliver many of the rewards you would like. But no one is going to run on, or deliver that in the next term of government.
To get to 20%, you need to start by getting to 14%.
At any rate, lets not get too distracted by fantasies, we should compare real options on the table, not imaginary ones.
Monarch Butterfly
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The price tags in those countries are also the price you pay. The VAT is already included.
Here in Canada, we mostly have to add the HST to the price tag. Some have it already added in, like The Beer Store, LCBO, and gasoline. (Do I add on GST and/or PST for fruit "drinks", but not on fruit "juices"?)
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UtakataNoAnnex
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I get that. And I certainly believe that level of income security can be achieved in this country if one is not planning on being obscenely rich. But I also agree that's a goal for another day and probably a discussion for another thread...
...in the meantime: Holy jumpin' Jesus, Batman! 185 seats for the LPC from 338? Nobody was dreaming about that 3 months ago!
PL1
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Of course, there are still 34 days until the only poll that counts. But I'm more hopeful now that we will not be ruled by Poilievre and the CPCI get that. And I certainly believe that level of income security can be achieved in this country if one is not planning on being obscenely rich. But I also agree that's a goal for another day and probably a discussion for another thread...
...in the meantime: Holy jumpin' Jesus, Batman! 185 seats for the LPC from 338? Nobody was dreaming about that 3 months ago!
UtakataNoAnnex
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DirectionNorth
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Admiral Beez
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Carney’s the LPC necromancer.
afransen
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A CPC minority seems pretty unlikely unless the Liberals collapse and Carney is somehow forced to resign. It's more likely the BQ and NDP would prop up Carney as PM than PP, even if the Liberals win fewer seats.
Admiral Beez
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I see a CPC government as a near impossibility now. It’s either a LPC majority or a LPC minority, propped up as you suggest by the shredded remnants of the NDP and BQ. I think we’ll be seeing the last of PP come summer - unless he sticks around like a zombie ex-leadership loser like Andrew Scheer. At least Erin O’Toole had the grace to walk away after taking his party to a loss. As for the other parties, hopefully Singh loses his seat and also vanishes, and am I the only one sick of Elizabeth May? Maybe Carney’s going to bring out the broom for a clean sweep.
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Johnny Au
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Lawrence Allen Centre election station on March 24, 2025:
Admiral Beez
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I like the way Canada does elections. Short campaigns, national voter ID rules, strict limits on fundraising and ads. If we could enact ranked ballots we’d be the envy of much of the world.
Towered
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good point - why is Andrew Sheer still around? It's undignified. I seem to recall even Harper lingering around parliament for a while like a stale fart after he lost to Trudeau.I'm sick of May too - what's up with the horrible teeth? I can barely look at her when she smiles (which is often).
SubHuman
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What?! Are they saying I can only vote once ? Oh, come on.
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picard102
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Jesus christ, do you hear yourself?