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Admiral Beez said:
When I saw the ads that 2.5 million (out of 16 million) Ontarians do not have a family doctor, my immediate thought was, 84% of us have a family doctor. That’s doesn’t sound so bad - if 84% of Ontarians had affordable housing we’d be over the moon. Considering I’ve always had a family doctor and see them perhaps three times a year, my immediate thought was that was an odd hill to die on.
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It's a big deal when you are part of the 16%, a number which the CPSO projects to about double in the next few years.

It's not just having or not having a family doctor, although everything is intertwined. It's wait times at Emerg, it's closed Emerg departments, it's the lack of walk-in or after hours clinics.

On difference is the funding and delivery of healthcare is solely the mandate of the government; whereas housing is a free-market enterprise that the government supports and, until a few years ago, wasn't much, if any, of an election issue.
 
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One thing that I think may have factored into yesterdays result was the lack of a good option.

I am normally so far left that the NDP brass once called me a Communist. Having said that, I briefly considered voting for Doug Ford as he was the best of the worst options given the tariffs and everything else.

Do I like Doug the Slug, no. Do I think the OLP has their s**t together, also no. The NDP were the only ones even remotely with a plan but they were focusing on low level items which were not all that important to me.

I voted NDP because as much as the NDP did not have a coherent plan other than to say Doug Ford needs to go, we need to make life more affordable and that we need more family doctors they were the best of the worst. They are the only viable alternative to the PC Party.

As much as I hate to say it, Doug Ford is the best option we have right now to stand up to Trump and I firmly believe that is what swayed people this election.
 
christiesplits said:
Yes, very disappointing. The Green Party's provincial popular vote also dropped by a percent compared to 2022. I wonder if it's time for Mike Schreiner to move on? He's been leader since 2009.
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The GPO strategy was to focus on picking up Parry Sound-Muskoka which they came close to but ultimately missed out on. It's better to have 5% provincial vote with 2/3 seats than 10% provincial vote with no seats, so their total number dropping is fine. They have figured out that it's pointless to be wide and shallow and need to be deep (elected) to have any real impact.

Personally I think Schreiner is a good leader who doesn't need replacing, unlike the OLP and NDP leaders...

Admiral Beez said:
Are you looking for Marxists?
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What bearing does this have on the OLP/LPC being neoliberalist centre parties? The NDP is hardly even "left" these days.

I haven't gone through the results in-depth but I know the Communist candidates who did run in this election faired better than in 2022. It's not a number that's going to blow people away but 1.5% or whatever in Davenport is a big number for them when they usually roll around 0.4-0.6%.
 
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guavadelic said:
Agree that declining healthcare in Ontario should be a concern, but Ontarians have shown its not the most important issue for them considering how much they keep voting for Ford. Like @Admiraz Beez mentioned, it was a weird hill to die on.
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Considering the wide regional differences when it comes to access to health care, it's odd that people living in more rural areas persist in voting for the conservatives.

Every time I use the health care system (I'm 60, so I've been using it more often), I notice a great disconnect between my experience and what people apparently go through outside of Toronto. A couple of weeks ago, I developed a really excruciating headache; the next morning, I made a same-day appointment with the Virtual ER at Sunnybrook and talked to a nurse practitioner. She sent a report to my family doctor, who wanted me to go to the hospital; I went to Toronto General and was sent to their new Rapid Assessment Centre - I was impressed. A doctor diagnosed an inflamed scalp nerve and I was in and out of there in less than 3 hours. But my family doctor had doubts and got me an ENT and neurologist referrals - both are able to see me within a week. And at the same time, I was referred back to my cardiologist for an annual scan, and two days later the scan was done.

I can't even imagine how different that experience would have been in small-town Ontario (or anywhere in my home province of Québec!).
 
The only team I ever saw out at the subway (in Davenport) flyering people were the Communists, so they may have won over a few voters, just with their cheerful disposition.
 
I don't think the Liberals have any interest in another leadership campaign so soon after the last. I'm sure their thinking was that Crombie would be a breakthrough for them in the 905/GTA suburbs, and although there was a sofetening of some PC support it obviously wasn't enough for the OLP this time around, whereas Erskine-Smith would have been a good leader for urban areas but probably would have had less impact in the 'burbs. Who's to know!

Put another way, Crombie was likely a better leader for OLP v PC ridings, whereas NES would have been a better leader for OLP v NDP ridings, which would have simply meant more vote-splitting. In the end they end up with an improvement of seats but not nearly enough to have much of an impact.
 
Mihairokov said:
I don't think the Liberals have any interest in another leadership campaign so soon after the last. I'm sure their thinking was that Crombie would be a breakthrough for them in the 905/GTA suburbs, and although there was a sofetening of some PC support it obviously wasn't enough for the OLP this time around, whereas Erskine-Smith would have been a good leader for urban areas but probably would have had less impact in the 'burbs. Who's to know!
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I'm surprised that the only 905 riding to go Liberal was Ajax. The Liberal winner, Robert Cerjanic, is well known among Toronto politics watchers as Ana Bailao's former Chief of Staff.
 
christiesplits said:
I'm surprised that the only 905 riding to go Liberal was Ajax. The Liberal winner, Robert Cerjanic, is well known among Toronto politics watchers as Ana Bailao's former Chief of Staff.
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I think the jarring thing is that most of the 905 ridings actually voted more PC this time around than in 2022. The Liberals tightened the gap in a lot of them but the PCs were still up 2-5% in most ridings.
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
I am surprised by how low the margins were for some of the PC wins in the 905.

AoD
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Yes, the PCs actually look vulnerable throughout many ridings in the 905, a couple % slip here and there may have mattered a great deal.

But I guess they won't have to worry about that until 2029.
 
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