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How should Toronto connect the East and West arms of the planned waterfront transit with downtown?

  • Expand the existing Union loop

    Votes: 219 70.9%
  • Build a Western terminus

    Votes: 16 5.2%
  • Route service along Queen's Quay with pedestrian/cycle/bus connection to Union

    Votes: 33 10.7%
  • Connect using existing Queen's Quay/Union Loop and via King Street

    Votes: 24 7.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 17 5.5%

  • Total voters
    309
The soft opening weekend for the new park shows buses and the current quality of service will not cut it and time for both TTC and the city to bring the new QQE line design up to 100% this year and to go to tender in 2026 for an east-west line and block off the Bay tunnel after the new wye is built until the funds can be found to do the work for the tunnel and loop. Even then, by 2050 but more when all the development is done, the loop will not handle the ridership. TTC needs to be thinking about getting 45-50m LRV's to handle the ridership since the density is six times if not more than what was originally vision in the early 2000's for the whole waterfront

The CEO of Waterfront Toronto has made it known the QQE needs the LRT line to be built now so when the new residents start moving in in 2030-31 they will not need a vehicle to get around to live there. Waterfront Toronto Team is saying now the Billon dollars is in place, for residential, it is time for the money to be found to build QQE not only for the new developments, but for the new parks that will be open before residents move in as well the commercial needs,

Comments heard and on record from the past clearly states cars are not needed for this area with transit at the front door.

The goal has been from day one that Transit Is First as there will be about 25% or less parking space to service everything for the Island as well on QQE route. At the same time, all the new roads were not built for on street parking as well having a single lane in each direction.

TTC has taken the position in the past that they prefer to run buses until the need is there for RT.

Starting in 2027 for the first phase of development stating with infrastructure, the current on street parking will disappear with some of it moving to the new temporary parking lot on the west side of Cherry St until that area gets developed. This weekend, the public was able to park in some of EllisDon construction area and with the amount of work still to be done for Phase 1, crews will be working on the weekends unless there is agreement not to at this time.

At the current rate, a fair number of this board as well the city will be gone before anyone can get to ride this line. Most of the board will be gone before any of the next phases of extension for this line happening at the rate things get built in Toronto these days,

In some way, surprise Ford has not pushed for his vision of an monorail system that he want to see built when he was on council as it would be been built now.
 
And you - the reader of this article - will eventually be dead. Let's see which one happens first!

AoD

Its a funny line (seriously) with an unfortunate ring of truth to it. By my count at least 3 well known members of UT have died in the last 5 years, probably more.
 
Honestly, I can't understand why the city is still waiting for the province or the feds, and wouldn't fund WE LRT project by itself. At least, the rebuild of the Union loop and the tunnel.

The amount of funding needed is substantial, but a lot less than for any of the subway projects currently supported by the province.

Furthermore, the city should still have some funds assembled by John Tory, first to support SSE, then reassigned to Eg East LRT. Since Eg East is not going anywhere without a massive additional funding, those funds are sitting idle (unless already used up for something else). But if applied to the Union loop rebuild, they can actually do something useful.
 
Its a funny line (seriously) with an unfortunate ring of truth to it. By my count at least 3 well known members of UT have died in the last 5 years, probably more.

No point being funny without trying to make a (dead serious) point. As to the latter, I can only think of two within the 5 year window. I am trying hard to think whom I have missed.

AoD
 
Honestly, I can't understand why the city is still waiting for the province or the feds, and wouldn't fund WE LRT project by itself. At least, the rebuild of the Union loop and the tunnel.

The amount of funding needed is substantial, but a lot less than for any of the subway projects currently supported by the province.

Furthermore, the city should still have some funds assembled by John Tory, first to support SSE, then reassigned to Eg East LRT. Since Eg East is not going anywhere without a massive additional funding, those funds are sitting idle (unless already used up for something else). But if applied to the Union loop rebuild, they can actually do something useful.
In the beginning, TTC short fall for the loop was $90 million and has keep climbing. The last figure was $1 Billion and as far I am concern as well the few people who have worked on this project for Waterfront Toronto, it is over inflated to cover other TTC projects.

TTC is the most underfunded transit system in NA since the 80's and with Tory not increasing taxes to cover things needed for the city, he dug a hole that is hard to climb out to do the huge costly backlog of things that need to be done before they fail.

We are thinking about going next week, and the transit there just doesn't cut it. It would probably take us an hour from the slightly west end, and I don't usually rely on buses that only come every 15 minutes. We'll probably drive and park at the Distillery.
It takes me over a hour on transit with a bus every 20 minutes and no big deal as it will take longer to drive and finding a parking spots as well stressful. Getting harder and harder to find a parking spot in the Distillery area and more so when the Goodie Condos gets residents as well NO31 as well Cherry House
 
John George Howard, with intentions of running a sheep farm, purchased the land that would be part of High Park in 1836. In 1873, the Howards deeded the land to the City of Toronto, with the condition that it would be used as a public park. To the east of High Park, Howard owned Sunnyside Farm, on which he built Sunnyside Villa. It is now the site of St. Joseph's Health Centre. The lands to the north was subdivided for housing. High Park Loop opened in 1893 and was rebuilt in 1922.

Twenty years from 1873 to the first High Park Loop in 1893. How long before the first transit rails between Union Station and Biidaasige Park has it been?
 
In lieu of a revamped Union loop we should at least be looking into a solid streetcar connection to either East Harbour or Corktown stations. Perhaps even going from East Harbour to Corktown and back through the Port Lands and Cherry Street. I don't know, but clearly something needs to happen ASAP.
 
What about coming into Union on the surface? Right up Bay or Yonge. This doesn't seem like it would be so complicated and you could run the line as far up as the TTC thought feasible, looping via King or Queen or whatever. Obviously a tunnel would be better but at this point...
 
What about coming into Union on the surface? Right up Bay or Yonge. This doesn't seem like it would be so complicated and you could run the line as far up as the TTC thought feasible, looping via King or Queen or whatever. Obviously a tunnel would be better but at this point...

I wonder whether we could have streetcars going via York, Front, and Bay, even with a temporary at-grade detour while they figure out the below ground drama.
 
In lieu of a revamped Union loop we should at least be looking into a solid streetcar connection to either East Harbour or Corktown stations. Perhaps even going from East Harbour to Corktown and back through the Port Lands and Cherry Street. I don't know, but clearly something needs to happen ASAP.

The only problem, Ontario Line will not start running for the next 10 years. Without the subway connection, streetcars will not take the riders where they need to go.
 

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