evandyk
Senior Member
People around my office are quite excited by this. Pretty sure all of them will visit in the first few weeks when this opens. And all of them will drive there.
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CapitalSeven
Senior Member
I think it was 2004. I posted about it's 20th birthday a year ago. Just think, Transit First can drink anywhere now
Northern Light
Superstar
The proposed bus priority lanes on Queen's Quay east are moving quickly through the process......
Amazing how things can move along in a timely way when there is the will to make it so.
The project is on the agenda for next week's TTC meeting:
Have a look at the schedule for delivery:
In service 90 days from now.
Now someone remind me how long the priority lanes on Jane have been festering about?
Amazing how things can move along in a timely way when there is the will to make it so.
The project is on the agenda for next week's TTC meeting:
Have a look at the schedule for delivery:
In service 90 days from now.
Now someone remind me how long the priority lanes on Jane have been festering about?
bearcat
Active Member
1) I am surprised they managed to fit SIX lanes in some stretches, didn't realize QQE is so wide! Was it ever 6 general lanes wide in use?
2) I see they are keeping four car lanes along pretty much the whole QQE, there is only dedicated bus lanes in both directions on part of QQE. Where they could not fit six lanes they only did a bus lane in one direction. I feel if they sacrificed one car lane in some places they could have had continuous bus lanes in both directions the whole QQE. Obviously I am no traffic engineer, presumably they felt that would slow down the car traffic too much. In fact maybe it says why in the PDF that was linked, I just looked mostly at the diagrams and skimmed the rest
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drum118
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It was wide due to tracks that service the various warehouses and industries along the waterfront. Redpath was the last industries to be service by rail that play a huge part for QQE phase 1 plan. CN would move cars to/from it a night using the centre of the road in TTC ROW and it made QQE not the same as the west side. When Redpath stop using tank cars, the RR tracks on the south side where removed to Jarvis St and allow the same design for the west to be use for the east now. RR tracks still remain east of Jarvis as well crossing Lake Shore that will be remove once the new QQE road is built.1) I am surprised they managed to fit SIX lanes in some stretches, didn't realize QQE is so wide! Was it ever 6 general lanes wide in use?
2) I see they are keeping four car lanes along pretty much the whole QQE, there is only dedicated bus lanes in both directions on part of QQE. Where they could not fit six lanes they only did a bus lane in one direction. I feel if they sacrificed one car lane in some places they could have had continuous bus lanes in both directions the whole QQE. Obviously I am no traffic engineer, presumably they felt that would slow down the car traffic too much. In fact maybe it says why in the PDF that was linked, I just looked mostly at the diagrams and skimmed the rest
bearcat
Active Member
Sorry can you clarify? There were tracks in the center of the road on QQE? How far back in time? And where on QQE? I personally remember the tracks that ran along the south side I think staring from Redpath and going east, but when those got removed the space didn't lead to road widening but was used as sidewalk and the MGT. So I am not sure the south side tracks explain the width of the roadway. Though it's a great bit of history, and crazy how they are still there near the Lakeshore and Cherry intersection.
I found some old photos of QQE and I only see tracks on the south side, this is from the 60's.
nfitz
Superstar
Dave's post said the tracks we on the south side.
bearcat
Active Member
"CN would move cars to/from it a night using the centre of the road in TTC ROW and it made QQE not the same as the west side", that's what I mean. Sorry if I misunderstood what "using the center of the road" meant.
drum118
Superstar
The original plan for the QQE phase 1 would have seen TTC ROW in the centre/offset for the east side with CN using it at night time up to Redpath. This made TTC ROW a lot wider to handle the trains and TTC had issues with it as well Waterfront Toronto. All CN original tracks where on the south side of the Lake Shore from Jarvis to the York Street Area, or was it to the Bathurst St Area. Over time, tracks where removed west of Redpath as business relocated elsewhere along with tracks servicing the warehouses and industries to the east of Redpath leaving it the only one to see rail service.
Redpath then decided to ship by trucks and that removed the need for rail service. TTC ROW was revised to what is now plan for and CN/Waterfront Toronto/City ended up removing the tracks up to Jarvis to allow the south side to be redeveloped to what is there Today. The MGT will be redevelop once QQE gets the go ahead from the city once they have found the funds to build the new QQE like the west. They have the funds to do QQE,, but not the tunnel and Union Loop. One reason I been pushing the east-west line since 2019 and once the city find the funds for the tunnel and loop, it can reopen when completed
Northern Light
Superstar
@bearcat
A comp temporary shot, 2023 aerial shows the distance from curb to curb:
That's ~19.5M
For six lanes, you broadly require 18.6M (3M each for the interior lanes, and 3.3M for the curb lanes)
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A historic pic, in the then/now photo thread of Queen's Quay West, with the freight tracks in the median:
urbantoronto.ca
A comp temporary shot, 2023 aerial shows the distance from curb to curb:
That's ~19.5M
For six lanes, you broadly require 18.6M (3M each for the interior lanes, and 3.3M for the curb lanes)
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A historic pic, in the then/now photo thread of Queen's Quay West, with the freight tracks in the median:
Miscellany Toronto Photographs: Then and Now
Interesting shots but you really need to have an old and new photo of same scene to meet 'obligations' of this great thread. I might have worded my captions weirdly, but these photos are taken from roughly the same spot. Is that not in line with every other post on this thread?
Amare
Senior Member
I'm very curious to see where all the coach buses will layover, and transport trucks that serve the Redpath plant will temporarily park once this bus lane is put in place. This should be interesting.
Nevertheless, glad to see the city can actually move quickly on an issue without having to issue countless useless "studies" and "reports".
Nevertheless, glad to see the city can actually move quickly on an issue without having to issue countless useless "studies" and "reports".
bearcat
Active Member
Where on QQE do these trucks and buses hang out now? From the ?preliminary design posted earlier, there is no Eastbound bus lane from Bay to Jarvis. The south side of QQE there is largely unchanged. There is till a large "shoulder" (with the maple leafs on the asphalt) though it looks like it will be narrowed but I think enough to fit a truck or a bus. The loading zone on the south side in front of Westin appears unchanged. I guess we shall see what gets built and what the actual dimensions of things would be.
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DSCToronto
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There are more detailed designs on the Report to TTC Board at https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/ttc/bgrd/backgroundfile-253282.pdf
smallspy
Senior Member
To the best of my knowledge, that was the configuration of the road west of York. East of York, the tracks swung to the south side of the roadway - approximately where the streetcar ROW will be - not the least of which was to avoid the streetcar tracks between Bay and York.A historic pic, in the then/now photo thread of Queen's Quay West, with the freight tracks in the median:
Miscellany Toronto Photographs: Then and Now
Interesting shots but you really need to have an old and new photo of same scene to meet 'obligations' of this great thread. I might have worded my captions weirdly, but these photos are taken from roughly the same spot. Is that not in line with every other post on this thread?
I have never heard of a plan for CN to use TTC trackage down on Queens Quay and I highly doubt that it ever was seriously considered for a very, very large number of reasons.
Dan
bearcat
Active Member
That's what @Northern Light posted and I am talking about, I don't think these are final.