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Northern Light said:
Clearly YRT has very few riders to spread its costs over, and it has very few riders, because it has crappy service.
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Not along Jane apparently, even on Saturdays:

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Transportfan said:
Not along Jane apparently, even on Saturdays:

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Jane has among the best service levels in the YRT system. Only Yonge would be a serious rival, I think {I'm not checking, so take that as the intuitive guess that it is); but I think this image serves to demonstrate my point, not take way from it.

Run good service, get more riders.
 
Northern Light said:
Jane has among the best service levels in the YRT system. Only Yonge would be a serious rival, I think {I'm not checking, so take that as the intuitive guess that it is); but I think this image serves to demonstrate my point, not take way from it.

Run good service, get more riders.
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Yeah, sure, Jane's ridership is mostly because of good service, not so much the fact that it serves Vaughan Mills, VMC, and York U.
 
A little late to the party for the 20'th anniversary of VIVA. At the time it felt like a revelation, providing a spine that the rest of the YRT network could connect through. Though 20 years has shown that VIVA only cannibalized funds from other services.

VIVA looked great as a concept and looks great superficially but in the end failed to produce the increased ridership it's proponents claimed it would have.
 
Woodbridge_Heights said:
A little late to the party for the 20'th anniversary of VIVA. At the time it felt like a revelation, providing a spine that the rest of the YRT network could connect through. Though 20 years has shown that VIVA only cannibalized funds from other services.

VIVA looked great as a concept and looks great superficially but in the end failed to produce the increased ridership it's proponents claimed it would have.
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Did they switch to New flyer for the 2026 Viva order?
 
Woodbridge_Heights said:
A little late to the party for the 20'th anniversary of VIVA. At the time it felt like a revelation, providing a spine that the rest of the YRT network could connect through. Though 20 years has shown that VIVA only cannibalized funds from other services.

VIVA looked great as a concept and looks great superficially but in the end failed to produce the increased ridership it's proponents claimed it would have.
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I would probably pin this more on the demographics. Most people in the 905 would prefer either subways or their suv.
 
The vast majority of TTC users have access to a car. So car ownership and a suburban built form aren't necessarily a deterrent to high transit use. Viva/YRT's problem is the poor level of service in terms of frequency and signal priority.
 
Undead said:
The vast majority of TTC users have access to a car. So car ownership and a suburban built form aren't necessarily a deterrent to high transit use. Viva/YRT's problem is the poor level of service in terms of frequency and signal priority.
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I wouldn't say this at all. A large percentage of Toronto households are car-free, and many many more are 1-car households compared to York Region.

York Region also has far higher incomes, higher income households are much less likely to take transit, especially since they are far more likely to have 2-3 cars in the household than in Toronto.

There are a lot of people with cars taking the TTC, yes. But less than you think, and many are from 1-car households where another family member needs the car, effectively making them "car free". York Region generally has mostly 2-car households which have higher rates of car availability.
 
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