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lenaitch said:
Really detailed summary. Thanks for that! It's a lot to unpack. I can't estimate the number of times I heard 'this is the first time I've heard of this' or 'nobody told me' when dealing with the government and I suspect large corporations are no different. People agreeing to or signing off on something that is out of their lane isn't surprising. It is also a great way to spread out accountability to the point that, in the end, nobody is accountable.

I noticed this entry that references US experience:

"October 29, 2024 - Top CN and VIA staff meet again in a 30-minute Virtual Teams meeting to discuss the LOS issue during which CN indicates, among other things, that its understanding of LOS stemmed from its experience in the U.S. and that the problem is the wheel to rail interaction that occurs with lightweight rolling stock with a narrow and trued wheel profile and low axle count (under 32)."

I know little of the regulated rail industry but, drawing a parallel from automobile safety, if it is determined that there is a safety-related design deficiency when viewed against regulated standards (and that might be the problem), one would think the manufacturer would be compelled to come up with a fix.

The filing is a lot of documents. Normally, the court will take 'judicial notice' of statute or regulatory law, but regulatory law deals in a lot of 'ya buts', exceptions, exemptions and qualifiers, and the Federal Court deals with a wide range of this type of legislation, so it might be deemed easier to simply provide it with the relevant legislation (or it is a rule of the Court). Simply from a tactical point of view, it never hurts to present a nice, tight package so the judges or their clerks don't have to look things up. It make your side look accommodating and helpful. Providing copies of any cases you are citing isn't unusual. The hearing is for a judicial review and present facts, related law and similar cases form part of your 'factum' or written foundation of your case.
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But are there no sign offs required when the new train is tested somewhere and passes a milestone or is given the green light? Is that proof that all the requirements were met?

How else do you get permission to use the track in revenue service?

And they got that approval but somehow someone in charge didn't know about it? Really?
 
www.cp24.com

Delays, Trudeau resignation threaten Toronto-Quebec City high-frequency rail project

Canadians hoping plans for high-frequency rail between Toronto and Quebec City would move forward this year will instead see further delays — and the prospect of a federal election makes the timeline more uncertain than ever.
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com

"Late last year, the federal government requested an extension on bids to build the rail corridor in a move that could push back selection of a private partner by several months beyond the initial deadline near the end of 2024."
 
Allandale25 said:
www.cp24.com

Delays, Trudeau resignation threaten Toronto-Quebec City high-frequency rail project

Canadians hoping plans for high-frequency rail between Toronto and Quebec City would move forward this year will instead see further delays — and the prospect of a federal election makes the timeline more uncertain than ever.
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com

"Late last year, the federal government requested an extension on bids to build the rail corridor in a move that could push back selection of a private partner by several months beyond the initial deadline near the end of 2024."
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At this point I would consider this project shelved for another ten years until a new government picks it up and initiates another study to determine if it's feasible.
 
The project is dead period. They were never serious in the first place.

https://www.tvo.org/article/opinion...ise-of-high-speed-rail-dont-get-your-hopes-up

The shortest possible explanation for why this high-speed-rail promise will likely not materialize is that the Liberal government will not last long enough to implement it (read any of the polls over the past year and more). The longer explanation is that, if the Liberals had been serious about high-speed rail, they would have started work on it back in 2015 when they were first elected. Instead, the idea of faster and more reliable train service between some of Canada’s largest cities was initially held hostage to the priority of establishing a national infrastructure bank.

But the Halton project is relevant in this discussion, too. It took years for the federal review panel to make a report to the minister, who issued his decision approving the project only in January 2021. To put it another way, a project that was initially proposed before the Liberals even won the 2015 election did not get ministerial approval until more than a year after the 2019 election had reduced them to a minority in the House of Commons.

(Yes, we can give the government a pass because of that whole “world-halting pandemic” that cropped up in that time. But, in government, events always come up, and they will again in the future. You need a way to get stuff done without being derailed. Lincoln started building the transcontinental railroad while waging the Civil War.)

Whether the Liberals should be held responsible for the longer judicial fights over the fate of the Milton hub is a more complicated question. But at the very least, we can say that the timeline of their own ministerial-approvals process was within their control. And, yet, it seemingly wasn’t within their ability to approve an admittedly substantial — but nevertheless pretty banal — piece of rail infrastructure within the lifetime of a single Parliament.

High-speed rail in Canada, if it ever happens, will require many discrete projects such as the Halton hub. Locals around those projects will be able to argue, as the residents of Milton are arguing today, that the construction and operation of those services will have serious adverse impacts on their environment. If this national project is ever going to materialize — HSR is a dream that progressives have nursed for decades, even if they never seem to actually deliver it when in power — it’s hard to see it doing so under the current environmental and procedural regime.

We’ve seen exactly this problem in California, where a high-speed-rail line approved by voters in 2008 was delayed for years by lawsuits under that state’s environmental legislation. The public authority responsible for construction received the final environmental clearance needed for the Los Angeles-San Francisco route in May of this year. The line won’t be operational any earlier than 2030, and possibly 2033 — meaning a quarter century will have passed between the ballot initiative and actual service.

There are serious problems in Canada, and new and better infrastructure is the answer to a lot of them, whether we’re talking about clean energy or clean transportation options. We desperately need to be able to deploy these solutions in a big way and as quickly as possible — and our current laws simply aren’t up to the challenge.
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Canada's HSR Plan: Announce, Study, Bureaucratic Inertia, Obfuscate, and Election. Rinse and Repeat.
 
Amare said:
It's dead.

As soon as a non-confidence vote is called in March/April and the government falls, it's officially dead.

There's a 0% chance the Conservatives would carry through with this initiative.
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I thought that what was going on was going to extend past the next election regardless. If that is the case,it will be the next government who either stops it then or continues it.

Bojaxs said:
HSR and HfR are different projects.
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Correct me if I am wrong, HFR is what is for the Havelock Sub and could be HSR. HSR is between Ottawa and Montreal.
 
yrt+viva=1system said:
The project is dead period. They were never serious in the first place.

https://www.tvo.org/article/opinion...ise-of-high-speed-rail-dont-get-your-hopes-up



Canada's HSR Plan: Announce, Study, Bureaucratic Inertia, Obfuscate, and Election. Rinse and Repeat.
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There's no reason to believe that the CPC will continue to fund HxR, but likewise there's no reason to believe they won't. I'd honestly say its 50/50. You can't say "its obvious, its the conservatives" because A) Conservatism in this country even in the most extreme places cough cough Alberta have shown to view funding transit and especially intercity transit as a good thing, B) The conservative party has literally voted that HSR on dedicated corridors (exactly what HxR is) to be something that the party agrees is something that should be looked into (point being its something that the base and the paying members are very much interested in), and C) Trudeau has done the very smart move of not talking about HxR much. This means that even with the $60B defecit, HxR isn't a project that is filled with tons of political baggage. If the cons were eager to cancel HxR on the basis of it being a multi billion dollar boondoggle that's eating into the budget, they would be screaming about it from the rooftops - but they're not. To me, it seems like the goal of all political parties is to just shut up about the project, and to simply have it keep chugging along in the background, and have it be untouched by Partisan Politics.
 
ARG1 said:
There's no reason to believe that the CPC will continue to fund HxR, but likewise there's no reason to believe they won't. I'd honestly say its 50/50. You can't say "its obvious, its the conservatives" because A) Conservatism in this country even in the most extreme places cough cough Alberta have shown to view funding transit and especially intercity transit as a good thing, B) The conservative party has literally voted that HSR on dedicated corridors (exactly what HxR is) to be something that the party agrees is something that should be looked into (point being its something that the base and the paying members are very much interested in), and C) Trudeau has done the very smart move of not talking about HxR much. This means that even with the $60B defecit, HxR isn't a project that is filled with tons of political baggage. If the cons were eager to cancel HxR on the basis of it being a multi billion dollar boondoggle that's eating into the budget, they would be screaming about it from the rooftops - but they're not. To me, it seems like the goal of all political parties is to just shut up about the project, and to simply have it keep chugging along in the background, and have it be untouched by Partisan Politics.
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Their voting base are middle of upper class not common folk like us.

Those people drive or fly everywhere. No need for transit.
Also apparently funding for Toronto's Line 2 subway cars are also in jeopardy as well even though it was committed.
 
Bordercollie said:
Their voting base are middle of upper class not common folk like us.

Those people drive or fly everywhere. No need for transit.
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Have you ever talked with someone from the Upper Middle Class? Most of them absolutely don't believe that HSR is a waste of time or money. Like you say that as if VIA is a form of transit for "the common folk" when I'd very much argue that its not. VIA's ticket pricing even on the corridor are so high that they generally price out lower income residents.
Bordercollie said:
Also apparently funding for Toronto's Line 2 subway cars are also in jeopardy as well even though it was committed.
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There is no reason to believe this is true.
 
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