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U of T campus rejects transit pass for students
March 23, 2008
Noor Javed
Staff Reporter

Public transit won't get any cheaper for students at the University of Toronto's Scarborough campus after they overwhelmingly rejected the discounted transit U-pass proposal because it required all students there to pay for it – even those who didn't use it.

More than 2,000 students participated in the referendum last week, with 73 per cent voting against the proposal that offered a monthly pass for $60, and credits that could be used on GO Transit or York Transit routes. For most, the deal-breaker was the no-opt-out policy, which obliged all students to pay $240 per semester.

"It didn't benefit enough students to make sense," said student Zuhair Syed, who voted against the pass that would benefit a few thousand of the campus's 13,000 students.

Chris Smith, who led the campaign for the U-pass, said he knew it would it fail because of the clause.

"Most students thought it would have been an amazing plan, if people who didn't need the service had an option of opting out of it," said Smith, vice-president external of the student union. "But the TTC couldn't offer that to us."

Smith was one of a number students who first approached the TTC almost five years ago with the idea of a U-pass. The TTC conducted studies to see how much they could discount the price so that it would be "revenue neutral," and not an added expenditure.

"I don't think the TTC could have offered a better deal," said Smith.

But after years of work to get to this step, there was some disappointment that the proposal didn't receive support from students.

"We would have preferred that it would have passed," said TTC chair Adam Giambrone. "But the U-pass is a hard sell in Toronto."

Partly, he said, because it's difficult to cut the price of the pass.

"Considering how much people use transit, we calculated what the price of the U-pass should be," he said. "If we were to lower the price to $50, we would see a 10 to 20 million-dollar expenditure, and we figured it was not worth it."

Ryerson and York have yet to vote on the U-pass, but students there have expressed similar concerns.

Still, Smith says the dream of cheap transit isn't over yet. "The next step is to lobby the provincial government to become involved," he said. "There isn't a whole lot they are doing for tuition fees, so why not do something for transit?"
 
"We would have preferred that it would have passed," said TTC chair Adam Giambrone. "But the U-pass is a hard sell in Toronto."

Excuse me, but a U-pass is not a hard sell at all in Toronto. In fact, it's been lobbied for for years. It's the crusty old TTC's U-Pass, with it's absurdly high price, that is a hard sell.

I tend to like Giambrone, but in all honesty that was a stupid comment on his part.
 
yeah city council has some really smart guys like Giambrone, Adam Vaughan, and Joe Mihevc...

Sadly they are all a bunch of Ndper's
 
Boo NDP! The only big four party I've never voted for. Though they are ALWAYS my number one choice for opposition.
 
If only around 25% of students take transit at UTSC, then theoretically the U-Pass would would only need to be 25% of the cost of the Metropass to be "revenue neutral", which means the U-Pass there should only cost $24 per month, or $192 for 8 months.

The asking price of $60 per month seems to based on the ridership of the St. George campus, and to ask students of the suburban campuses to pay the same price is ridiculous.
 
Beez, it's far too much to ask if this is going to be a compulsory purchase. If you're going to force a whole bunch of people to buy something that they'll never use, you have to accept a big loss on those who do use it.

doady, I would bet that transit ridership at UTSC is higher than at St. George, what with the higher proportion of commuter students as a whole.
 
If UTSC is anything like UTM, I'd be willing to bet transit use is much higher at St. George.

I find it a shame the plan didn't go through. Though the price was still steep. I feel sorry for the transit users, because they're the ones who get shafted by the fact that this was voted down.
 
Beez, it's far too much to ask if this is going to be a compulsory purchase. If you're going to force a whole bunch of people to buy something that they'll never use, you have to accept a big loss on those who do use it.
I wasn't saying it was too much to ask, only that for those that wanted it, it was a bargain.

All it would have taken was for York to close its parking lots and get that subway built.
 
If UTSC is anything like UTM, I'd be willing to bet transit use is much higher at St. George.

I find it a shame the plan didn't go through. Though the price was still steep. I feel sorry for the transit users, because they're the ones who get shafted by the fact that this was voted down.

UTSC is nothing like UTM. Everybody takes the TTC, and there's no free shuttle down to St. George.

I think it's a shame that a plan like that didn't go through, but $60 a month is way too high for a compulsory purchase like that. Most places doing it ask something like that per term.
 
Im pitching the idea to my public speaking class tomorrow afternoon. They will all be marking my speech and presentation and also write down if I have convinced them to vote yes.

Ill post the results as soon as I get the feedback!
 
Rainforest

I will vote No, because ... I am happier with my regular Metropass. TTC operators treat student pass holders like a piece of nuisance. Those who show regular Metropass, get much more respect.

I would vote Yes if there is an option to "opt up": either buy U-pass for $60, or a regular Metropass for the regular MDP price.
 
I would vote Yes if there is an option to "opt up": either buy U-pass for $60, or a regular Metropass for the regular MDP price.

That's sort of an interesting idea. Presumably if one opts up, the Metropass becomes transferable. That would address one of the main objections -- unmanned turnstiles but, more importantly, the ability to sell the Metropass and recoup the mandatory spend.
 
That's sort of an interesting idea. Presumably if one opts up, the Metropass becomes transferable. That would address one of the main objections -- unmanned turnstiles but, more importantly, the ability to sell the Metropass and recoup the mandatory spend.

There is also a little issue of summer months: U-pass is not planned for those. As now I get MDP all 12 months a year and my travel pattern is not seasonal, switching to U-pass would cause me extra hassle from May to August.

Perhaps the most flexible schema would be like this:
[Required]: $60 U-pass OR a regular $98 Metropass, September to April
[Optional]: $60 U-pass, May to August
[Optional]: regular $98 Metropass, May to August

A little trickier to implement, but no fiscal losses to TTC.
 
Results from my presentation...

Most students said they will be voting yes. (Approximately 80% of the class)

Some students were dissappointed that Mississauga Transit wasn't included in this deal, but voted yes because the GO Transit credit wouldn't put them at a loss.

MANY students were unaware that the U Pass was even being proposed. That could have been the reason why it failed at UTSC. Hopefully Ryerson's Student Union goes all out in promoting the pass.
 

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