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The thing is now, for 70% of the student group this is great.

With the GO transit inclusion, you get another 20% or so that will not be negatively effected.

At Ryerson, maybe. At U of T, about 50% of people live within walking distance to school, either in res or just off campus. This will not fly at U of T, nor should it.

A U-Pass should cost $200 and no more. I don't think that there is a demographic group that is collectively as short of cash or in debt as university students. A revenue neutral solution is just not good enough. If a $200 U-Pass costs the TTC a few million dollars spread out over 8 months, big deal. It's budget is what, a billion dollars?
 
At Ryerson, maybe. At U of T, about 50% of people live within walking distance to school, either in res or just off campus. This will not fly at U of T, nor should it.

A U-Pass should cost $200 and no more. I don't think that there is a demographic group that is collectively as short of cash or in debt as university students. A revenue neutral solution is just not good enough. If a $200 U-Pass costs the TTC a few million dollars spread out over 8 months, big deal. It's budget is what, a billion dollars?

Expect the TTC to say no deal to UofT then. They have said if its approved at Ryerson, it will go on regardless if York and UofT approve.
 
TTC picking up speed at last on all-campus pass
U of T Scarborough likes idea of bundling cost into student fees; hotels also approached
February 19, 2008
Toronto Star
Tess Kalinowski
Transportation reporter


The TTC is on the brink of a breakthrough in attracting more riders by offering discounted passes in bulk to Toronto-area students and hotel workers.

After years of negotiations with local post-secondary schools, the TTC says the student council at University of Toronto's Scarborough campus is close to supporting a "U-pass" – a discounted transit pass whose cost is bundled into student fees – for all 10,000 students.

TTC commissioners approved the idea last week. TTC chair Adam Giambrone said it would cost the transit agency "under $1 million'' if the students go for the proposal.

Meantime, the hotel workers' union, which represents about 6,500 employees, is trying to work out a deal to give a substantial number of its members a discounted TTC pass through their jobs.

If all eight college and university campuses in the city adopted a U-pass, it could produce 15 to 20 million more rides per year for the TTC and $72 million in revenue, money needed to increase service to match ridership growth.

"The best thing to get people on transit is to offer better service. But reducing the price helps," said Giambrone said.

It's also easier to retain an existing transit user than to attract a new one, he said.

U-passes are a tough sell for student governments because the discount rate is pegged to universal inclusion in student fees, something that requires a campus referendum. Those who live on campus or drive to school often resist paying for transit they won't use, which can scare away student politicians.

Chris Drew, a member of Ryerson's student union, told the TTC yesterday his group would want more details before trying to sell the idea to the student body.

But the U of T's satellite campus, where about 60 per cent of students use the TTC, is poised to hold a referendum next month.

Commissioners yesterday approved a price freeze for that campus that would keep the pass at roughly $60 a month until 2010 irregardless of fare hikes.

If the U-pass does go ahead there, other student governments "will be banging on the doors very quickly," Mike Anders, the TTC's market research director, predicted in an interview.

If a campus vote is held on a U-pass, the Scarborough students would be allowed to opt for a discounted York Region Transit pass or – for full-time students only – a GO discount as well.

Meanwhile, the TTC hopes to reach terms with Toronto hotels and their workers to widen use of its so-called VIP pass, said union officer Paul Clifford.

The Fairmont Royal York already contributes to the cost of a VIP pass for about 500 workers as part of their negotiated agreement.

But workers at hotels with fewer than 50 employees aren't eligible for the pass, simply because they lack the numbers. The union and TTC want to create a group program for them, but persuading some hotels to get on board can be challenging, Clifford said.

The out-of-pocket savings would be significant for hotel workers, 80 per cent of whom are immigrants earning $30,000 a year on average.

About 30 of 45 unionized hotels have agreed to participate so far.
 
If all eight college and university campuses in the city adopted a U-pass, it could produce 15 to 20 million more rides per year for the TTC and $72 million in revenue, money needed to increase service to match ridership growth.

20 million? Not a chance. For starters, no one's gonna switch from their car and tons of students already have passes. The best thing about the proposal is that students will save money and, hopefully, will become a bit more loyal to the TTC/transit in the long term.
 
Okay, I've got a serious question, how does this U-Pass help me?

I live in downtown Brampton and commute to UTSC 3 days a week. I sample alot of routes which all generally take 3 hours one way to get to Morningside/Ellesmere. The only fast option for me is to take the GO direct from Brampton to Union then eastwards to Rouge Hill. My only use of the TTC then would be the 38 from Rogue Hill to UTSC.

At 3 days a weeks, to and from, that's only 24 TTC trips a month or $55 using tickets. Why on earth would I buy a $109 Metropass let alone have another fee grafted onto my already astronomically high tuition :confused:?
 
I live in downtown Brampton and commute to UTSC 3 days a week. I sample alot of routes which all generally take 3 hours one way to get to Morningside/Ellesmere. The only fast option for me is to take the GO direct from Brampton to Union then eastwards to Rouge Hill. My only use of the TTC then would be the 38 from Rogue Hill to UTSC.

At 3 days a weeks, to and from, that's only 24 TTC trips a month or $55 using tickets. Why on earth would I buy a $109 Metropass let alone have another fee grafted onto my already astronomically high tuition :confused:?

Geez, what a commute. Have you tried the GO 407 Service? You could:
1. Take the Brampton Trinity Common service from Hwy 10 & Bovaird, Trinity Common, Bramalea City Centre, or Bramalea GO. Get off at Yonge and Langstaff then take the 407 East service directly to UTSC. With a proper connection, you're looking at less than 2 hours.
2. Take the 407 West service from Bramalea GO to York U then switch to a 407 East directly to UTSC.

The details posted above also say that you would be able to use the fee as a voucher towards GO, so you wouldn't be losing any money.
 
Thanks CDL, I never even considered those routes. I've been leary of the GO bus in general because I'm uncertain whether they charge additional fare for every transfer I make on my 10-Rides ticket (calculated fare) or if it's time-based such that the ticket's valid for a certain duration. Hence I stick to the GO train lines as much as I can.

Yup, I've come accustomed to some wacky routes including once taking 1 Queen to BCC, 77 Hwy 7 to Martin Grove then taking VIVA Orange to Downsview, 85A to Sheppard-Yonge, subway to Don Mills, 190 to STC and finally a 38 to UTSC. Rest assured I'm not trying that again!
 
Thanks CDL, I never even considered those routes. I've been leary of the GO bus in general because I'm uncertain whether they charge additional fare for every transfer I make on my 10-Rides ticket (calculated fare) or if it's time-based such that the ticket's valid for a certain duration. Hence I stick to the GO train lines as much as I can.

It's the same fare system for the GO bus as the GO train. You don't pay a second fare when you change from the Georgetown GO line to the Lakeshore GO line! They charge a single fare based upon the distance that you travel. They use the exact same paper tickets and 10-rides as the GO train system. A student 10-ride between Brampton and UTSC is $67.75.

Yup, I've come accustomed to some wacky routes including once taking 1 Queen to BCC, 77 Hwy 7 to Martin Grove then taking VIVA Orange to Downsview, 85A to Sheppard-Yonge, subway to Don Mills, 190 to STC and finally a 38 to UTSC. Rest assured I'm not trying that again!

One word: hell.
 
It's the same fare system for the GO bus as the GO train. You don't pay a second fare when you change from the Georgetown GO line to the Lakeshore GO line! They charge a single fare based upon the distance that you travel. They use the exact same paper tickets and 10-rides as the GO train system. A student 10-ride between Brampton and UTSC is $67.75.

Just to add to above:

Make sure you show the bus driver that you are transferring and not starting a new trip. Do not let them punch your ticket again if you are just transferring!
 
I'm still not necessarily sold. I never used the TTC as infrequently as when I was a student living in downtown Toronto. If I did have a metropass, then it would mean travelling on the most busy surface routes in the city in lieu of walking, such as the Spadina, Dundas, and College streetcars in the downtown core, and the Yonge subway between Queen and Bloor. Not exactly the type of trip that the TTC wants to encourage.

On the other hand, I never used the TTC as often as when I was a student living at home and commuting to St. George each day.

The TTC should realize that university students are not exactly a demographic group that can afford having every last penny taken from their wallets. It should not be up to students to help the TTC stay revenue neutral (it should be those folks from Scarborough and Etobicoke that travel 30 km for $2.25, but that's another story). I would support either of the following options:

1) The TTC offers an optional metropass for $50 per month, or
2) The TTC offers a mandatory $100 per academic year metropass.
 
I think we're at the point where we need to bring this proposal to a vote and let the student union memberships decide. Could it be a better deal? It could be free.

Frankly, I'm ready to vote on this, and I hope Ryerson gives me that chance sooner rather than later.
 
I think we're at the point where we need to bring this proposal to a vote and let the student union memberships decide. Could it be a better deal? It could be free.

Frankly, I'm ready to vote on this, and I hope Ryerson gives me that chance sooner rather than later.

a better deal would be that they could pay us to use the ttc
 
Would it not be wonderful if the TTC offered the universities and colleges something like what the HSR did in Hamilton?

Instead of paying $240/semester, students would only pay $50/semester.
 

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