christiesplits
Senior Member
Yes, many cities have night bus service, although Toronto has arguably one of the best night bus networks in North America.
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nfitz
Superstar
When they used to have these month-long bus strikes in Montreal in the 1980s, they had to provided rush-hour services, which included something like an 11 pm to 1 am shift for those on the night shift.
81-717
Active Member
Looking at how the Orion VI order was split in two, with half of the order built as Orion Vs, as well as how one of the most recent bus orders was also split between Nova (6600s) and NFI (6000s), both for the sake of speeding up the process, or even considering how the M1 and H1 were both part of a single 200-car order despite being built by 2 different manufacturers, I wonder if splitting the current new subway car order between 2 manufacturers would likewise help speed things up, or if it would only complicate things.
I also don't particularly care where they are built, as much as I care their deliveries don't get delayed even a single extra year more than they already are (gonna 4 years late already in the best-case scenario, they were originally supposed to start arriving as soon as next year, and we might even have had the first prototype on property by now if they were).
Re-read what you wrote:
What is your argument here, exactly? You're surely not arguing that NYC thinks that we are worse because we don't have rolling stock of R32 vintage in service, right?
And whoever thinks this argument for longevity only applies to rolling stock of NTT vintage is as hypocritical as can be. It either applies to all rolling stock equally, or to none at all.
Frankly I don't know why New York chose to keep the R32s going that long at the expense of several newer car types, if they could keep the R32s going for 57 years I'm sure they could've instead kept anything from R38 to R44 going for a few years less (than the R32) and retire rolling stock more sequentially.
I'll believe it when I see it (if/when every last one of them is scrapped, just like every single H1/2/5/6 (except 5707 ofc), no more, no less).
I dunno, maybe divert half of line 1's fleet to line 2 and run reduced service on both lines (plus shuttle buses)? With 76 6-car TRs you could run 38 trains on each line, or maybe a split of about 43 for line 1 and 33 for line 2 or so (with a 0% spare factor if you're desperate enough), resulting in a few years of overcrowding until half of the angry crowd gathers outside the feds' house demanding that new trains be funded right this instant and the feds have no choice but to cave in to the peer pressure.
As opposed to the 20+ years taken off my projected lifespan due to at least 15–20 years of constant misery, anger/frustration, hopelessness and being on edge inflicted on me by the ttc & hcrr since 2013/2014 to at least 2030–2033, if not for the rest of my life if the 2030s don't go as planned (new train deliveries, scrapping the current ones), if you know what I mean.
Too bad this discussion didn't instead take a good 10 years off the T1 & TR projected lifespan, eh?
Northern Light
Superstar
@christiesplits gave a fine answer.
But for more robust info, this Wikipedia article lists most of the 24/7 / overnight services in North America:
Night service (public transport) - Wikipedia
* note that some of the services listed actually stop at 3am.
Strictly by route count, I believe the TTC has the most robust night network, at 34 routes, one more than L.A., I believe.
Of course NYC has extensive 24-hour subway service, though frequency can be quite sparing....20M scheduled headways etc.
Chicago also runs 2 rails lines 24/7
Toronto becomes more intriguing on this when you consider 24/7 service already in place in Mississauga, and Durham, and coming to York Region and Brampton by 2027.
The TTC will also be adding at least one 24/7 route and maybe more over the next year or two.
evandyk
Senior Member
Transit lovers, there's a survey out on the Dufferin bus lanes. Go do your thing.
www.toronto.ca
RapidTO: Dufferin Street
Register for the virtual public meeting on May 13 or attend the public drop-in events on May 15 and May 20. Complete the survey before May 26. View meeting materials in the Public Consultation tab below. The City of Toronto and Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) invite residents to learn more...
www.toronto.ca
drum118
Superstar
April 26
Only the centre section of the trackwork south of the Lake Shore for Bathurst needs to be pour, otherwise all the trackwork is done. Striping has taken place for the left turn lane and ready to open.
Now, has TTC done all the new overhead for the intersection as well on Fleet?? TTC needs to put in the zig zag in the current straight line.
Who Knows when the 511 and the 509 will start using this area in place of buses??
Only the centre section of the trackwork south of the Lake Shore for Bathurst needs to be pour, otherwise all the trackwork is done. Striping has taken place for the left turn lane and ready to open.
Now, has TTC done all the new overhead for the intersection as well on Fleet?? TTC needs to put in the zig zag in the current straight line.
Who Knows when the 511 and the 509 will start using this area in place of buses??
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evandyk
Senior Member
What is with this 504 scheduling? No Broadview car for 35 minutes, then no distillery car for 30?
Steve X
Senior Member
The transit app wasn't doing it's job when I was used it today.
drum118
Superstar
Something taking place on line/systems. I was trying to catch the new cars at Russell around 5pm and saw a number of 501's and 503's until about 530 with nothing coming from the west to a point 501 buses to show up and then a 503. Even no cars in sight from the east considering a fair number had past me. Seeing nothing coming, I gave up at 545 and call it a day.
evandyk
Senior Member
When i got to King to get a streetcar, I noticed that the app was going to be useless in the short term because there was a long line of tour and school buses trying to turn right on Simcoe from King, and all of them blocking the streetcar tracks. It took over a light cycle for each of them to turn, so it took 7 or 8 minutes for a streetcar to go from Simcoe to University. Must have caused quite the ripple effect down the line.
generalcanada
Senior Member
"streetscape improvements" at bathurst and lakeshore
Undead
Senior Member
Even Toronto Hydro doesn't wanna rip that up.
drum118
Superstar
PL1
Senior Member
Steve Munro's take (for real this time)
It's going to be ugly
Edit: fixed broken link, thanks to @reinventingthewheel for pointing that out and posting the correct link
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reinventingthewheel
Active Member
Broken link ^
Article here:
King-Church Construction and Traffic Effects
Major changes are coming to downtown streetcar routes on May 11 with the next schedule change. This will accommodate a combination of water main replacement, track reconstruction and streetcar over…
stevemunro.ca