[Richard White]

This is correct. The plan is that Halton County will hold the cars for 5 years.

Dan

Dan,

Any idea if they will be restoring the cars or just leaving them in storage?

From what I understand, HCRY has more rolling stock than manpower. I could have swore I heard somewhere that they are being selective when it comes to restoration due to manpower availability.

 

[Richard White]

Anyone know what this is all about?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TTC/comments/1icumsk/first_time_seeing_a_layover_stop_blue_jays_way_at

 

[Towered]

The end of the line has come for TTC Heritage Streetcar Fleet and sad to not see them on the road or the yards anymore. Has to do with lack of space.

TTC Historic Fleet Moves to Streetcar Museum

The whole point of having these is to be able to bring them out on special occasions or for people to rent them. I'm sorry, I'm not buying that whole "they're only going to the museum for 5 years and then they'll come back" BS. It's a death sentence. Does anyone here honestly believe the mismanaged TTC will actually make the effort to return them? They'll just pretend they don't exist and hope we forget about them.

 

[Richard White]

The whole point of having these is to be able to bring them out on special occasions or for people to rent them. I'm sorry, I'm not buying that whole "they're only going to the museum for 5 years and then they'll come back" BS. It's a death sentence. Does anyone here honestly believe the mismanaged TTC will actually make the effort to return them? They'll just pretend they don't exist and hope we forget about them.

I feel like you are dead on here.

It will cost money to retrofit the cars with pantographs and I doubt the TTC wants to maintain facilities to repair these cars given how antiquated they are.

What the TTC needs is something akin to the LTM's Acton Depot where they have a dedicated facility to repair, store and maintain artefacts.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

I feel like you are dead on here.

It will cost money to retrofit the cars with pantographs and I doubt the TTC wants to maintain facilities to repair these cars given how antiquated they are.

What the TTC needs is something akin to the LTM's Acton Depot where they have a dedicated facility to repair, store and maintain artefacts.

You're right. PCC streetcars with pantographs not possible.

Muni using pantographs on their streetcars back in 1976.

The real reason for the TTC is the lack of funding. Putting pantographs on the vintage streetcars is a "nice to have". The anti-transit politicians will not approve of such expenditures.

 

[evandyk]

I think once they've been out of sight and out of mind for five years, it'll be hard for the TTC to find any budget to support bringing them back.

 

[T3G]

You're right. PCC streetcars with pantographs not possible.
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Muni using pantographs on their streetcars back in 1976.

The real reason for the TTC is the lack of funding. Putting pantographs on the vintage streetcars is a "nice to have". The anti-transit politicians will not approve of such expenditures.

He didn't say pantographs on PCCs weren't possible, he said that they have to be retrofitted, which is true.

 

[Voltz]

The whole point of having these is to be able to bring them out on special occasions or for people to rent them. I'm sorry, I'm not buying that whole "they're only going to the museum for 5 years and then they'll come back" BS. It's a death sentence. Does anyone here honestly believe the mismanaged TTC will actually make the effort to return them? They'll just pretend they don't exist and hope we forget about them.

I'm reminded of all those missing station ceiling panels that get removed for work and then never get put back in.

 

[smallspy]

Dan,

Any idea if they will be restoring the cars or just leaving them in storage?

From what I understand, HCRY has more rolling stock than manpower. I could have swore I heard somewhere that they are being selective when it comes to restoration due to manpower availability.

At this point, it's just storage as I understand it.

HCRY will try and run them as much as possible, but as you correctly point out, manpower is a restriction which would prevent them from doing much more than that.

I'm reminded of all those missing station ceiling panels that get removed for work and then never get put back in.

Depending on which stations and which ceiling panels they will never go back in, and the reason isn't that the work will never be done.

On the YUS, those panels caused issues with the roof-mounted A/C units of the TRs.Removing them resolved those issues.

Look for the same to happen on the few BD stations have have drop ceilings or slats over the tracks once the new trains start to arrive.

Dan

 

[nfitz]

It would be a damn shame if the museum stuck pantographs on them ...

I wonder how much they are "paying the museum for storage"?

My big concern is how they are storing them. There doesn't seem to be enough barn space at the museum to cover everything that should be covered.

 

[T3G]

My big concern is how they are storing them. There doesn't seem to be enough barn space at the museum to cover everything that should be covered.

Storage space is already in a pretty catastrophic way, when I was last there for their Christmas show they were storing a bunch of stuff, including the Montrealers, in the back lot behind the main display barn.

I think that one way or another, there's going to be a fair bit of equipment that's going to be worse off when the five years is up than they were before. And considering how many Peter Witts and A15 PCCs the museum already has, I venture that if the TTC ends up not taking them back, they will all end up on the scrapheap.

 

[nfitz]

If they were smart, the money they pay to Halton for this would cover at least a temporary storage facility. (or a big tent )

 

[Kyle Campbell]

Anyone know what this is all about?

Edit: As in what's a layover stop, or why there? I think the comments in the reddit itself answer what a layover stop is

As to why, you can only speculate on why the TTC would think this is a good place to park a bus, other than the fact that it's not going to impede traffic there

At least in Ottawa, they just take a spare bus stop sign to use for a layover stop and slap a "layup" sticker in place of the bus routes, which probably accounts at to why it has an accessible logo, but the sign is usually meant for bus drivers, not passengers

 

[picard102]

Does anyone here honestly believe the mismanaged TTC will actually make the effort to return them? They'll just pretend they don't exist and hope we forget about them.

If it's so mismanaged then I would think this is the best case scenario to preserve these.

 

[nfitz]

As in what's a layover stop, or why there? I think the comments in the reddit itself pretty much both

What the comments don't address is why here (westbound Blue Jays Way at Spadina). There's no regular bus routes anywhere nearby. And the 510 replacement buses are looping at Dan Leckie, which is surely more useful.

Who boards here (which is what the wheelchair symbol implies) and which route is it?

I've brought the image forward.