[turbanplanner]

Pish.

People need to act.

Anecdotal but I heard a story of a crack head attacking someone, the person punched back in self defense and talked to a nearby cop. His response was I'll arrest both of you if you want me to take action.

Why would anyone risk getting into a confrontation? The attacker will face ZERO consequences, while you're going to be paying legal fees at best, seriously inured at worst.

Because of privacy laws, the cameras on the train and platform cannot "monitor" behaviour. Can't do automatic facial recognition so that a police officer can do a visit to their home and issue a fine or arrest them... at the moment, unless the laws change otherwise.

LMAO they probably don't even have a home, and if they did police wouldn't care. A girl stole a car and ran over the owner and was out on bail the next day.

I tiny minority of individuals who can not fit in with the most basic of society's norms cost massive disruption, cost and harm to the other 99%. Whether on transit, in our emergency rooms, public spaces or crime. If we dont do something moderately more forceful on the issue - I think a politician will come along and get mass approval for doing something maximally forceful on the issue. It feels like a cross between a zombie apocalypse movie and the Weimar republic.

Aside from the whole issue of compassion, the jails are 30% over capacity, and the courts are stretched so thin violent offenders are walking due to cases being pushed past 2 years. You'd need to fix courts and jails before anything is fixed, and those are the 2 slowest parts of the government.

 

[evandyk]

This is funny:

Could a federal election derail funding for Toronto's new Line 2 subway cars?

The $2.3-billion purchase of a new fleet of cars for Toronto’s Line 2 subway was made in November, tentatively promising some relief for the aging line.

www.thestar.com

TTCriders, the transit advocacy group, had tried to get Toronto MPs to commit to supporting federal funding for the TTC. They received pledges from MPs of all stripes, including Erskine-Smith — but not from any Conservatives.

Toronto has 25 Liberal MPs and 0 Conservatives. No wonder they couldn't find any Toronto Conservative MPs to commit. The only MP whose riding has a touch of subway line in it is Melissa Lantsman, whose hobby is harassing Nate Erskine-Smith, not supporting the TTC.

 

[Northern Light]

Anecdotal but I heard a story of a crack head attacking someone, the person punched back in self defense and talked to a nearby cop. His response was I'll arrest both of you if you want me to take action.

I don't find your anecdote at all credible.

Why would anyone risk getting into a confrontation? The attacker will face ZERO consequences, while you're going to be paying legal fees at best, seriously inured at worst.

I find this statement absurd and lacking any supporting evidence.

LMAO they probably don't even have a home, and if they did police wouldn't care. A girl stole a car and ran over the owner and was out on bail the next day.

Citation to support this story please.

 

[Mihairokov]

Toronto has 25 Liberal MPs and 0 Conservatives.

Don Stewart currently sits in University-St. Paul's for the CPC.

 

[evandyk]

That's true. I had forgotten about the by-election.

 

[evandyk]

I don't find your anecdote at all credible.

This is the guy who gets attacked by a crackhead every third time he rides the TTC (anecdotally) so clearly his anecdotes are all trustworthy.

The car thief story is true, though. Not that I'd want to base our bail system on an outlier case of one offence caught on video and going viral on twitter, but it has its problems.

Alleged Ontario Porsche thief granted bail for 2nd time in a week | Globalnews.ca

The woman made headlines last week after Peel police identified her as a suspect in a brazen theft in Mississauga which was caught on camera.

globalnews.ca

 

[Mihairokov]

This is the guy who gets attacked by a crackhead every third time he rides the TTC (anecdotally) so clearly his anecdotes are all trustworthy.

Which is weird because I seemingly never encounter these people (crackheads, [sic]) on my journeys on the TTC. Perhaps i'm not seeing what I want to see when I ride transit.

 

[evandyk]

You do see it once in a while. I saw a guy taking a piss onto the tracks in Dufferin Station last night (sadly, no contact with the third rail). But this poor guy really must have the worst luck. Either that or he likes to make up stories.

 

[nfitz]

Which is weird because I seemingly never encounter these people (crackheads, [sic]) on my journeys on the TTC. Perhaps i'm not seeing what I want to see when I ride transit.

It's route-specific. And these aren't routes that were perfect a decade ago either. I was commuting in Scarborough and Markham for a year, and didn't see anything - even at Victoria Park station.

But I'd say half the time I take the 506, there's someone living in the back seat. Though mostly they are quiet enough - just homeless and meek. And the 75 Sherbourne was certainly entertaining enough years ago.

 

[evandyk]

I took the 75 Sherbourne daily with my four year old son for half a year. It's quiet in the mornings. But definitely an interesting crowd after dark.

 

[nfitz]

It's right there in the story.

Which is why I previously had removed what you replied to, from my post.

 

[Mihairokov]

But I'd say half the time I take the 506, there's someone living in the back seat. Though mostly they are quiet enough - just homeless and meek. And the 75 Sherbourne was certainly entertaining enough years ago.

I take the 501/503/504/505/506 fairly regularly along with 75 Sherbourne and don't have all that many run-ins. Saw someone sleeping at Broadview Station last night and in the amount of time it took my WB subway to arrive (~4mins) there was already someone from TTC standing over them phoning someone. Not everyone is dangerous, you just need to give people space sometimes.

Anecdotes are only anecdotes. I guess something to keep in mind for people who aren't familiar is that you mostly just have to avert your gaze and most people won't bother you. If you feel uncomfortable on a streetcar i'd recommend sitting near the front as usually people who fare evade/cause issues on streetcars will be away from the driver when possible. Stations like King are fully staffed if you ever have any issues. As an average-sized white guy I can only offer so much advice and know things are different and much more difficult for women especially. I will wait for a 501 at Jarvis & Queen but I wouldn't recommend it for women, depending on the day.

 

[nfitz]

I take the 501/503/504/505/506 fairly regularly along with 75 Sherbourne and don't have all that many run-ins. Saw someone sleeping at Broadview Station last night and in the amount of time it took my WB subway to arrive (~4mins) there was already someone from TTC standing over them phoning someone. Not everyone is dangerous, you just need to give people space sometimes.

Anecdotes are only anecdotes. I guess something to keep in mind for people who aren't familiar is that you mostly just have to avert your gaze and most people won't bother you. If you feel uncomfortable on a streetcar i'd recommend sitting near the front as usually people who fare evade/cause issues on streetcars will be away from the driver when possible. Stations like King are fully staffed if you ever have any issues. As an average-sized white guy I can only offer so much advice and know things are different and much more difficult for women especially. I will wait for a 501 at Jarvis & Queen but I wouldn't recommend it for women, depending on the day.

That said there was a crazy at the back of the 506 today. The 504, two 501s, and 92 were all fine. As usual.

And looking at my Presto card, it looks like I actually failed to tap (or it didn't register) when I got on the 506! Perhaps the guy ranting about devil worship the second I walked through the door distracted me. I'm not sure if he was for or against it, as I decided I'd walk down the car.

Pretty dumb, as I see enough inspectors mid-day on 506.

 

[81-717]

If you told a teenage girl to take her feet off the seats in front of her, sure, you'll walk away from that interaction without a scratch on you.

Even then, it depends.

Killing of Ken Lee - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Mihairokov]

Even then, it depends.

Killing of Ken Lee - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What does this have to do with the above? It's disingenuous to say all girls are dangerous because of this swarming incident, and if anything it should be noted that Lee was homeless and was likely attacked because he had alcohol on him.