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Richard White
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Think of it like no bicycles on transit during rush hour. Technically, you are not permitted to have bikes on the TTC during rush hour but nobody enforces it.
drum118
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DSCToronto
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This presser was posted last week, it's not MORE $$$ :->
Admiral Beez
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Enforcement does work. I used to work near Port Credit and sometimes would take the Go Train instead of drive. On my first day I rode my bicycle to Union and went to put it on the train, when I was quickly intercepted by the platform staffer who told me that even though bicycles are allowed in the counterflow trains, they're not allowed on the platform at Union during rush hour. I apologized and she let me on, but from then onwards I would bikeshare it to Union and from Port Credit I would walk to the office.
reinventingthewheel
Senior Member
This is an example of education more than enforcement. You were not deterred by any means. Technically speaking, only moral obligation prevented you from disobeying at future opportunities.
I’m not suggesting an alternative approach, just calling out very weak evidence.
T3G
Senior Member
And how do these geniuses think that people get bikes onto those counter flow trains, teleportation?!
Admiral Beez
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She said go to Exhibition.
That same platform staffer was there on my next trip. She would have got me. Besides, education is often part of enforcement - once I was told I was breaking the by-law I adjusted my behaviour. I didn't need a fine, just a nudge.
T3G
Senior Member
Brilliant!
A society with laws and bylaws only works if those laws and bylaws are simple, clear, easy to follow, and not overbearing on existence. You shouldn't need to carry a rule book on your person to know what it is you are and aren't allowed to do. How is ANYONE supposed to know that bikes aren't allowed on the platform unless a staffer gives them a bollocking? I haven't seen any signs anywhere in the station for this. And telling them to go to Exhibition doesn't make any sense, it sounds like someone is on a power trip.
To that end, if we want the TTC to start enforcing their bylaws, they might do well to rethink some of them first. There's a lot of highly subjective word salad in the bylaw that means nothing, such as "behaving in a manner which would interfere with the ordinary enjoyment of persons using the transit system" or "using profane, insulting or obscene language or gestures" (if I say "shit!" in conversation with a friend, am I supposed to get a fine?) And If I was ticketed for loitering because I was standing around photoing buses instead of traveling, I would be incensed.
A society with laws and bylaws only works if those laws and bylaws are simple, clear, easy to follow, and not overbearing on existence. You shouldn't need to carry a rule book on your person to know what it is you are and aren't allowed to do. How is ANYONE supposed to know that bikes aren't allowed on the platform unless a staffer gives them a bollocking? I haven't seen any signs anywhere in the station for this. And telling them to go to Exhibition doesn't make any sense, it sounds like someone is on a power trip.
To that end, if we want the TTC to start enforcing their bylaws, they might do well to rethink some of them first. There's a lot of highly subjective word salad in the bylaw that means nothing, such as "behaving in a manner which would interfere with the ordinary enjoyment of persons using the transit system" or "using profane, insulting or obscene language or gestures" (if I say "shit!" in conversation with a friend, am I supposed to get a fine?) And If I was ticketed for loitering because I was standing around photoing buses instead of traveling, I would be incensed.
81-717
Active Member
T3G
Senior Member
What concerns should we have now?
Coolibop
Active Member
Thanks. Confirms my point re Toronto being one of the first if not the first. Most bans appear on busses but not rail for obvious reasons...
The ony one in the list where Ebikes ban on rail may exist is Boston...where the rule is vague... And scouring the internet forums, looks like they prevent the motorized scooters and not Ebikes (or not enforced).
Admiral Beez
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The TTC is using plainclothes inspectors to fight fare evasion. Critics are calling it ‘creepy’
Beginning Wednesday, plain-clothes inspectors will start issuing tickets for fare evasion, ranging from 235 to $425.
www.thestar.com
As I said in an earlier post, we need to focus fare enforcement to where the evaders are. Start with significant increase in roving inspectors on the College/Dundas/Queen/King streetcars between University and Sherbourne.
You fish where the fish are.
evandyk
Senior Member
I saw inspectors inside Broadview Station today checking fares of people getting off of buses and streetcars, which is smart but they hardly do it.
nfitz
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Of all of the Admiral's questionable comments, I'm not sure this is the one to pick on, in particular.
Every indication I've seen of, that the percentage of counterfeit batteries out there coming from China/Taiwan is greater than the Chinese/Taiwanese batteries on the market as a hole.
And obviously there's a huge supply chain issue, with China's increasing descent into autocracy and state-controlled business. And obvious trade concerns given their increasing ethnic cleansing, warmongering, and criminal espionage operations in Canada. More and more international observers are predicting that China is expected to invade Taiwan. And we need to prepare now as Canada and the USA would ban all trade with China/Hong Kong. Not to mention the use of slave labour in the manufacturing of batteries.
Obviously though, it's not the TTC's place to choose and discriminate on which e-bikes. If the federal government can fix the issues and the safety concerns were eliminated, then remove the ban. At the same time, extending the e-bike ban outside of rush-hour seems to be a futile move, given it's never once been enforced during rush-hour.
It was quite clear in the slide shown at the TTC meeting that the ONLY thing that's been ticketed in the last 5 years is fare invasion. Thus making this extension of the ban on bikes in rush-hour useless.