turbanplanner
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Left my bike wrench at a friends place, biked to Kipling to use the repair station and everything was stolen :/
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drum118
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If this effecting miWay, expect it will effect TTC
Renforth Station construction. Closures will be in effect from September 23 to November 1, 2024. Metrolinx will be temporarily closing Renforth Station for essential construction work
Renforth Station construction. Closures will be in effect from September 23 to November 1, 2024. Metrolinx will be temporarily closing Renforth Station for essential construction work
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Northern Light
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The TTC agenda for next week is out.
One of the reports concerns fare evasion and changes to strategies:
Of note:
1) The new hard date for no longer accepting legacy fare media (tickets and tokens) is December 31st, 2024"
2) A phased strategy for closing 'crash gates' at stations:
3) Harmonzing cash fares - date TBD ; age-based concessions would be available only through PRESTO
4) Considering registering bus fare boxes (ie. make them able to count change
5) Eliminating child presto card that are undated, ie. have no expiry date. The intent would be code into the card that on a child's 13th birthday, it must start requiring fares.
6) There is also a move to reform the way enforcement is conducted, shifting it the program to something similar to MX, with a first offense warning (but you must provide ID and pay up), a second offense modest fine, and a third offense larger fine and provincial summons (you must go to court)
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I'm fine with all of the above, as far as they go..........but would like to see cash fares eliminated entirely (you could pay cash at Presto machines). Doing this would require a fare purchase machine at most/all transit stops. While somewhat expensive, it might finally prove the requisite incentive to eliminate some too-close stops.
I remain of the view that fewer or no age concessions are preferable, offset by lower adult fares, a 40-ride per month price cap, and a 3-hour travel window.
One of the reports concerns fare evasion and changes to strategies:
Of note:
1) The new hard date for no longer accepting legacy fare media (tickets and tokens) is December 31st, 2024"
2) A phased strategy for closing 'crash gates' at stations:
3) Harmonzing cash fares - date TBD ; age-based concessions would be available only through PRESTO
4) Considering registering bus fare boxes (ie. make them able to count change
5) Eliminating child presto card that are undated, ie. have no expiry date. The intent would be code into the card that on a child's 13th birthday, it must start requiring fares.
6) There is also a move to reform the way enforcement is conducted, shifting it the program to something similar to MX, with a first offense warning (but you must provide ID and pay up), a second offense modest fine, and a third offense larger fine and provincial summons (you must go to court)
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I'm fine with all of the above, as far as they go..........but would like to see cash fares eliminated entirely (you could pay cash at Presto machines). Doing this would require a fare purchase machine at most/all transit stops. While somewhat expensive, it might finally prove the requisite incentive to eliminate some too-close stops.
I remain of the view that fewer or no age concessions are preferable, offset by lower adult fares, a 40-ride per month price cap, and a 3-hour travel window.
Richard White
Senior Member
I like this idea. Some stations as noted like Kennedy cannot practically have their crash gates closed though I would like to see more enforcement there. Currently at Kennedy, anyone can walk in off the street for free if they claim they are coming from Platform B.
There really needs to be fare inspections at Kennedy, if there was I can see a number of people getting fined.
They do this in London UK. TFL eliminated all cash fares and the only way to pay now is either by contactless or Oyster. There are no more paper tickets, tokens or transfers.
The system works well and there are no complaints about discrimination.
Honestly, they need to eliminate post-secondary discounts and free rides for children. If you are in college or university you can pay for your own transit usage like an adult at full cost.
As for kids fares, that is lost revenue. There should still be a very minimal fare for their usage of the system.
Miway used to do this however I am not certain if they still do. I see it all the time where someone puts in less than a full fare and tries to play stupid. I am sorry but I am not paying taxes and a full fare to subsidize a cheapskate.
This. You won't believe how many times I see teenagers pretend to be children or adults using child cards to get on for free. I am sorry but a 30 year old is not a child nor is a 14 year old.
Hooray!
This is how they do it in Budapest and although it catches tourists off guard it does work to get revenue back.
I do wonder how they will deal with the homeless population. There are more then a few people who I see regularly that walk into stations via the bus bays and don't pay. They then proceed to panhandle in stations or sleep there.
Warden Station is notorious for having people sleep in the station washrooms over the winter talking to themselves because they are homeless.
Northern Light
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Also on next week's TTC agenda is moving ahead with the Hillcrest Expansion:
All I have to say about the potential contract award is that the winning bidder is apparently SANSCON. Holy @#$# Why are they even allowed to bid.
All I have to say about the potential contract award is that the winning bidder is apparently SANSCON. Holy @#$# Why are they even allowed to bid.
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generalcanada
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cplchanb
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Im shocked but not surprised at the fact that TTC is still accepting tokens despite being off it for years. They shouldve had hard drop date years ago instead of letting this drag on. rip off the bandaid quick.
as for fare boxes... no comment... theyve been using the same boxes for over 60 years and counting... once again dinosaur equipment and practices.
Northern Light
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They did have a hard date of Sept '23; but then didn't implement it ...........according to the report...........for 'various reasons'...... how revelatory, LOL
Not on buses, yes, its been many decades, but I remember the previous iteration, and I'm still quite a few years shy of 60.
I think they changed to the current iteration in the early 80s which would make it 45 'ish years.
drum118
Superstar
still around because TTC refused to refund the money that riders paid to buy them in the first place. Know someone who had a few rolls of tokens before they were stop being sold and try to get their money back and were told they would get tickets only.
To make the matter worse, they did when they turn 65. They ended up with twice amount of tickets going from adult fare to senior fare that they still close to 100 still to use and they travel a lot less than in the past.
With the fare integration in place, they only use the tickets in Toronto and use the Presto card going outside of Toronto when they due.
Tokens and tickets should be long gone by now, but with TTC not willing to refund riders in the first place like they should had done, it will be a few more years before they will disappear.
Other than TTC fare boxes, all systems use a cash counter farebox that have been upgraded over the years to count the cash to make sure the right fare has been placed in the box as well having a smart card reader on it. They also allow the driver to punch in what type of rider who paid the fare as well the location. That info goes into the route system to say who and how many get on at the stops along the route, as well the number of riders for the route.
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picard102
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Admiral Beez
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That only works if enforcement works. This evening I took the 506 from Parliament to Landsdowne and back from Queens Park stn to Parliament St. I saw at least a dozen people in both directions not tapping on on both trips. When we finally had a fare inspector board the westbound streetcar at Dufferin most of the scofflaws had alread exited. The one young man they did catch was allowed to tap on afterward without penalty.
TTC eyes changes to fare evasion penalties
A proposed package of TTC fare evasion changes includes a different penalty structure and a crack down on child cards.www.thestar.com
As I said in this earlier post, we need to focus fare enforcement to where the evaders are. Start with significant increase in roving inspectors on the College/Dundas/Queen/King streetcars between University and Sherbourne,
TTC: Other Items (catch all)
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/fare-evasion-is-costing-the-ttc-millions-so-why-is-it-looking-at-reducing-the/article_daa667c2-4839-11ef-a100-cf46aae54963.html Paywall free: https://archive.is/Aoc0H IMO the TTC wouldn't need to worry about fare evasion if it wasn't so easy to...
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Amare
Senior Member
Clearly they didnt perform their "reference checks" adequately, but happy to see that the TTC is content with getting screwed over by Sanscon yet another time! They are the modern day Bondfield.
Hope the TTC is ready to pay operators some more $$ and run more overnight streetcar service across the network, because there's a 0% chance Sanscon completes this project on time. But of course they know of all that by selecting Sanscon yet again right?
Richard White
Senior Member
It's happening again...
Richard White
Senior Member
*UPDATE*
It's a fluid leak at Castle Frank Station. It's at track level.
Sound familiar?
It's a fluid leak at Castle Frank Station. It's at track level.
Sound familiar?
Richard White
Senior Member
*UPDATE 2*
Operators are announcing to passengers that this will not clear up expeditiously.
Operators are announcing to passengers that this will not clear up expeditiously.