[smallspy]

A better question is why is there Chicago subway trains at Halton. I'd send these to the States, and replace them with an SRT car, with space for something else.

The Chicago EL set was acquired to offer a glimpse of "what might have been" as the TTC very nearly bought similar-styled subway cars for the Yonge Line. As well, it lets people see what other places in the world were buying at the same time that Toronto was building it's first subway. This kind of comparison-contrast mentality is a common theme for many museums and historians, as it helps frame the discussion around decisions being made at that time of the artifact being shown.

Of course, with vehicles, it also comes at a cost of volume and space.

Perhaps one is for parts, and the intent is to keep only one operational.

This is correct.

Dan

 

[APTA-2048]

Is this in addition to what Detroit is taking, or just what Detroit is taking?

The nine will presumably be kept in Toronto. The rest will be taken by Detroit.

 

[dowlingm]

I am very much in favour of a Museum of Toronto of which the City, in addition to the other ABCs, would contribute artifacts and knowledge. A TTC museum, free standing and charging the sort of admission typical of such venues, would be interesting if a site could be found for it, but with a separate subsidy allocation from the City's Culture budget rather than anything the farebox touches. Random hoarding of artifacts, dribbled out to the public when the whim takes the Commission, I do not care for at all.

The alternative would be a Technology Museum, linked to the Ontario Science Centre, showcasing land, sea and air vehicles built in Toronto/Ontario. After all, the story of the Toronto transit vehicle is often a story of Ontario more broadly - Orions from Mississauga, subway cars, streetcars, GO trains from Thunder Bay, SRT cars and some streetcars from Millhaven, maybe some locomotives from London?

And hey, it would be a place to park Newmarket's BYDs...

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

I am very much in favour of a Museum of Toronto of which the City, in addition to the other ABCs, would contribute artifacts and knowledge. A TTC museum, free standing and charging the sort of admission typical of such venues, would be interesting if a site could be found for it, but with a separate subsidy allocation from the City's Culture budget rather than anything the farebox touches. Random hoarding of artifacts, dribbled out to the public when the whim takes the Commission, I do not care for at all.

The alternative would be a Technology Museum, linked to the Ontario Science Centre, showcasing land, sea and air vehicles built in Toronto/Ontario. After all, the story of the Toronto transit vehicle is often a story of Ontario more broadly - Orions from Mississauga, subway cars, streetcars, GO trains from Thunder Bay, SRT cars and some streetcars from Millhaven, maybe some locomotives from London?

And hey, it would be a place to park Newmarket's BYDs...

That's an excellent use of the OSC site!

AoD

 

[jje1000]

Not sure if it has been posted yet, but the design for the Second Generation Rockets has been updated:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812117274205020293

 

[T3G]

Yuck, the first design looked so much better.

 

[KevinT]

A nice idea, but neither the Gs nor the T1s are compatible with anything else. If they don't keep any remaining H4s that are in vaguely preservable condition (even as work cars), I sure hope they never, ever do so with the T1s or worse, TRs.

I've never understood the hate on the TR's. Granted, I only ride the subway in Toronto about once a year, but always love my rides in them. Riding whatever's on the Bloor line these days just feels old, clunky, and claustrophobic by comparison, and matches my memories of subway rides of yore.

 

[APTA-2048]

The TRs are starting to show their age a bit. I’m surprised they haven’t gotten a bit of a refresh like the LFLRVs. New seat inserts and thoroughly cleaned or new light diffusers would go a long way.

 

[picard102]

Less concerned about the exterior and more concerned with the interior and the display technology they'll implement.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

The TRs are starting to show their age a bit. I’m surprised they haven’t gotten a bit of a refresh like the LFLRVs. New seat inserts and thoroughly cleaned or new light diffusers would go a long way.

I thought they held up fairly well - though the choice of seating fabric is coming back to haunt us.

As to the new trainset - I hope they adopt some way of dealing with door blockers.

AoD

 

[Northern Light]

I thought they held up fairly well - though the choice of seating fabric is coming back to haunt us.

AoD

How so?

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

How so?

Try finding a unstained, less than dubious seat can be a real challenge - if you think you can deep clean that fabric well without spending inordinate amount of time doing it, good luck.

AoD

 

[T3G]

Try finding a unstained, less than dubious seat can be a real challenge - if you think you can deep clean that fabric well without spending inordinate amount of time doing it, good luck.

AoD

Is there any vehicle in the city in which this isn't a problem? Other than new equipment for the first week or so of service.

And seeing a clean seat insert doesn't mean you can't pick up bedbugs, either ...

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Is there any vehicle in the city in which this isn't a problem? Other than new equipment for the first week or so of service.

And seeing a clean seat insert doesn't mean you can't pick up bedbugs, either ...

Vinyl seating (I know, someone is going to mention scratching as an issue, which it is without a doubt) - non-absorbent, wipe clean/sanitize - I am fairly certain - based on the smell I have encountered on some trains - that riders have relieved themselves on the seat and it wasn't dealt with. This kind of absorbent seating have no place in any transit setting.

AoD

 

[Northern Light]

Try finding a unstained, less than dubious seat can be a real challenge - if you think you can deep clean that fabric well without spending inordinate amount of time doing it, good luck.

AoD

We've had these trains a fair time now, i didn't think it was that much of an issue for the first many years. I suspect a cut back in cleaning and probably in fabric replacement.

I'm not suggesting we couldn't pick a better one, but I will take fabric over (hard) plastic 100% of the time. I'd really like to see the pads brought back.

I recognize the arguments, but I also feel that if something looks like its cheap/meant for abuse, more people will treat it that way.

I'd like to see GO-style seating on the subway (high back, padded, fabric, and arm rests (which admittedly would serve a certain defensive design purpose)

Edit to Add:

The above change would likely result in fewer total seats. Particularly if we went to a mostly transverse layout, which I prefer.