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It is truly exasperating that I now have to take a stance from the other side of the debate, considering I've spent the last 3 days arguing on Slovak transit forums that people should be fined by fare inspectors for vandalizing transit vehicles (I don't know why this was a controversial stance), but there is a vast, vast difference between financially penalizing someone and caning them.

Financial penalties? Yes, and severe ones at that. But caning someone would be a purely punitive, spiteful action that has no place in a liberal democracy.
 
T3G said:
It is truly exasperating that I now have to take a stance from the other side of the debate, considering I've spent the last 3 days arguing on Slovak transit forums that people should be fined by fare inspectors for vandalizing transit vehicles (I don't know why this was a controversial stance), but there is a vast, vast difference between financially penalizing someone and caning them.

Financial penalties? Yes, and severe ones at that. But caning someone would be a purely punitive, spiteful action that has no place in a liberal democracy.
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Maybe not as far as caning but fines don't work if we never enforce them OR if the people who get them just don't pay.
 
Steve X said:
Perhaps we are slowly moving towards a Line 2 shutdown. OL and Line 5 along with all the downtown streetcar lines can fill in its shoes.
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Perhaps we can find a way to get subway trains to last 50 to 60 years ... which will surely happen if there's no funding.
 
Steve X said:
Perhaps we are slowly moving towards a Line 2 shutdown. OL and Line 5 along with all the downtown streetcar lines can fill in its shoes.
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There will be no line 2 shutdown, there will be no need for the line 2 shutdown, and I surely would appreciate it if we could have a discussion about the natural necessity of replacing life expired rolling stock without overdramatic hyperbole about having to shut the line down.
 
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Allandale25 said:
Unfortunate the budget didn't include Line 2 news.

www.thestar.com

Toronto gets refugee funding but no sign of urgently needed cash to buy new subway cars

The mayor applauded funds to house refugees and other items in the federal budget, but was clearly disappointed that the Trudeau government left out her top request.
www.thestar.com www.thestar.com
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While this is true, the gov't did commit to extending a dedicated stream of Transit Infrastructure money from 2026 onwards, permanently. I believe 3B per year.

That stream of money, as yet, has not been allocated. In the period in which the Line 2 rollingstock would be replaced, (2026-2031 roughly) you have at least 18B available.

I wouldn't get too concerned at this stage. Now, lets be clear there will be other asks for this money - Milton, Sky Train to UBC in Vancouver, and possibly to North Shore as well, the Blue Line extension in Montreal and/or whatever replaces REM de'Est. And doubtless some others as well.

Though, I would note, that major transit projects have tapped a second fund before, the Trade Corridors fund for cash as well, so there's probably over 20B sloshing about.
 
can't be worrying about funding new trains, we need that funding to fight vandalism on line 2 🤷‍♂️:rolleyes:

This just screams "Trudeau is a T1 foamer" and has conspiracy written all over it.
 
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nfitz said:
Perhaps we can find a way to get subway trains to last 50 to 60 years ... which will surely happen if there's no funding.
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Then the TTC will need new, more rigorous design standards for their track and structures to handle the heavier equipment. Plus a plan (and budget) with which to replace all of the existing with the new.

Dan
 
turini2 said:
Another emergency TTC meeting appears
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Strike news? Settlement vote? Leary talk? No sign of this on TTC website yet! Though there is TTC Labour Relations Committee today so probably to do with strike/settlement.:

Date:Wednesday, April 17, 2024
Start Time:12:45 p.m.
Location:Virtual Meeting
Meeting No:13
Live Stream:https://www.youtube.com/user/OfficialTTCchannel
 
nfitz said:
Perhaps we can find a way to get subway trains to last 50 to 60 years ... which will surely happen if there's no funding.
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London, UK is facing this situation now with the Bakerloo Line and their 1972 Stock.

The Bakerloo is currently using trains which are 52 years old and are less than reliable. Like here, there is talk of replacing them but the money is not there so they keep them going as long as they can.

The original T1 Trains are turning 30 next year. There is only so much life you can get out of them before parts start to become unavailable like they did with the ALRV and CLRV fleet.
 
nfitz said:
Perhaps we can find a way to get subway trains to last 50 to 60 years ... which will surely happen if there's no funding.
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smallspy said:
Then the TTC will need new, more rigorous design standards for their track and structures to handle the heavier equipment. Plus a plan (and budget) with which to replace all of the existing with the new.

Dan
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Which will surely cost more than new trains, meaning that without funding we can't have one or the other.

I'm curious though as to whether there is indeed a direct correlation between how heavy the equipment is vs. its design lifespan? Montreal's equipment isn't heavier than Toronto's, yet they want to have it last 60 years.
 
smallspy said:
Then the TTC will need new, more rigorous design standards for their track and structures to handle the heavier equipment. Plus a plan (and budget) with which to replace all of the existing with the new.

Dan
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Hang on.

Are you saying that the Line 2 extension to Sheppard isn't being built to handle the weight of the current rolling stock?
 
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