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Maybe they should just speed restrict the entire subway network at this point.

It's as if we're back to square one like with the peak of this problem boiling over back in early 2024.

Rick Leary really screwed the s*#* out of the TTC.
 
Maybe they should just speed restrict the entire subway network at this point.

It's as if we're back to square one like with the peak of this problem boiling over back in early 2024.

Rick Leary really screwed the s*#* out of the TTC.
He might have lead us to the point where we have to take out sections of the subway for more than just a weekend. It would suck, but maybe some sections need to be shut down for however long it takes to properly and completely fix them.
 
He might have lead us to the point where we have to take out sections of the subway for more than just a weekend. It would suck, but maybe some sections need to be shut down for however long it takes to properly and completely fix them.

I'd be ok with that.

Short term pain for long term gain.
 
Setup directional running and do one side at a time.
Not really possible, this isn't like WMATA where off peak service is like 4 trains an hour. And even when WMATA did this service was so unreliable it basically wasn't worth using (talking about like 30 minute gaps between trains).
 
He might have lead us to the point where we have to take out sections of the subway for more than just a weekend. It would suck, but maybe some sections need to be shut down for however long it takes to properly and completely fix them.
In my view, I think at this point it's something that needs to be done.

But it's a non-starter and will never happen for various reasons including:

1) Public Outcry
2) Lack of Political will for the kind of fallout that would happen from that
3) Lack of transit alternatives in city
4) Road network cant accommodate the influx of traffic (especially considering the fact that the roads are already jammed everywhere in the city)

The only way it would happen is if the infrastructure crumbles to the point that the TTC has no choice but to shut down parts of the line long-term.

Now the Torontonians and the TTC are paying the price for the TTCs decision to bring on an idiotic imbecile as it's CEO. The Board who served during Leary's reign is also responsible for this mess that we have today.
 
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What the hell have they been doing with all the late night and weekend closures when we are getting more slow zones day by day?

It got worse...
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I completely forgot to mention, we're now at 28 sections of speed restricted trackage (up 3 from yesterday). Did I already mention that this was a mess and that this system is severely screwed up?:


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It's also Mandeep Lali's first week as CEO. Let's see if/when he makes any sort of statement about this and what kind of action plan gets put forward to deal with this.

At the very least this conclusively disproves Rob and Doug Ford's rhetoric about subways lasting 100 years.
 
The majority of the tracks are in concrete tunnels with tracks bolted to the tunnel directly.

How is it possible for so many locations to have speed restrictions?

Where there is ballast I can understand but even that where you fixed it why would there be another slow zone in a few weeks? It's clear that they are just doing patchwork here and there and are not getting down to the core of the problem.

Perhaps they need to remove the whole track bed and lay down new ballast and sleepers. Otherwise you're just painting over a bald spot hoping the rain doesn't wash the paint away.
 
It's also Mandeep Lali's first week as CEO. Let's see if/when he makes any sort of statement about this and what kind of action plan gets put forward to deal with this.

At the very least this conclusively disproves Rob and Doug Ford's rhetoric about subways lasting 100 years.
I'm not sure how these 2 statements are remotely related. Subways like anything else still need to be maintained, and failure to do so will lead to problems. Rails of any kind can be seen as a consumable good - you can only run so many trains on a piece of track before it needs to be replaced. This is true for streetcars, lightrail, subways, mainline, whatever.

When people claim that "Subways last 100 years", they're usually specifically referring to the tunnels, which generally can last 100 years with only light maintenance (not to say early refurbishments can't or shouldn't be done for a variety of reasons, whether if its to flood proof, seismically harden, or remove asbestos like the TTC did a few years back). However once you move past the actual tunnels and infrastructure specific to subways, they need to be treated like any other railway. In fact, with a subway network like what we have in Toronto, you frankly need even stricter maintenance since we're running massive 145m long, 3.3m wide trains as frequently as every 2 minutes - meaning the wear and tear on the tracks will happen much quicker compared to say a GO train line. The only saving grace is that much of the network is underground, so its generally immune to the elements. However that doesn't stop the above ground sections of the system being hit hard whenever there's a heat wave like what we had 2 weeks ago (not coincidentally, that's likely what started this recent wave of TSRs).
 
I'm not sure how these 2 statements are remotely related. Subways like anything else still need to be maintained, and failure to do so will lead to problems. Rails of any kind can be seen as a consumable good - you can only run so many trains on a piece of track before it needs to be replaced. This is true for streetcars, lightrail, subways, mainline, whatever.

When people claim that "Subways last 100 years", they're usually specifically referring to the tunnels, which generally can last 100 years with only light maintenance (not to say early refurbishments can't or shouldn't be done for a variety of reasons, whether if its to flood proof, seismically harden, or remove asbestos like the TTC did a few years back). However once you move past the actual tunnels and infrastructure specific to subways, they need to be treated like any other railway. In fact, with a subway network like what we have in Toronto, you frankly need even stricter maintenance since we're running massive 145m long, 3.3m wide trains as frequently as every 2 minutes - meaning the wear and tear on the tracks will happen much quicker compared to say a GO train line. The only saving grace is that much of the network is underground, so its generally immune to the elements. However that doesn't stop the above ground sections of the system being hit hard whenever there's a heat wave like what we had 2 weeks ago (not coincidentally, that's likely what started this recent wave of TSRs)
Sure rail is a consumable. So if the rail wears at a certain rate per day then you need a maintenance regime that is pre-emptive of that and should have a regiment in place to prevent slow orders.

And if proper maintenance is being completed then why do the same areas constantly have issues?

I can understand that the unexpected happens and it takes time to repair, but having the same places constantly being under maintenance or repair means that someone is not doing their job properly.

Think about it. You have a car and plan to drive it 1000kms per day. Then you need a maintenance regiment that fits that duty cycle. It's not 100% but your car shouldn't get a flat tire or break down on a weekly basis.
 
Sure rail is a consumable. So if the rail wears at a certain rate per day then you need a maintenance regime that is pre-emptive of that and should have a regiment in place to prevent slow orders.

And if proper maintenance is being completed then why do the same areas constantly have issues?

I can understand that the unexpected happens and it takes time to repair, but having the same places constantly being under maintenance or repair means that someone is not doing their job properly.

Think about it. You have a car and plan to drive it 1000kms per day. Then you need a maintenance regiment that fits that duty cycle. It's not 100% but your car shouldn't get a flat tire or break down on a weekly basis.
You're absolutely correct, and please try to understand that I'm not defending the TTC here. The culprit here is very much the TTC deferring maintenance due to (presumably) Rick Leary trying to cut down on costs.
 
In my view, I think at this point it's something that needs to be done.

But it's a non-starter and will never happen for various reasons including:

1) Public Outcry
2) Lack of Political will for the kind of fallout that would happen from that
3) Lack of transit alternatives in city
4) Road network cant accommodate the influx of traffic (especially considering the fact that the roads are already jammed everywhere in the city)

The only way it would happen is if the infrastructure crumbles to the point that the TTC has no choice but to shut down parts of the line long-term.

Now the Torontonians and the TTC are paying the price for the TTCs decision to bring on an idiotic imbecile as it's CEO. The Board who served during Leary's reign is also responsible for this mess that we have today.
We've been through the pandemic, and now know that people can indeed work from home. So maybe they would be able to get away with it, in stages.
 

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