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drum118 said:
It was reported a few days ago that TTC 4471 & 4478 were on TTC property again after 7 years with no one seeing it at TTC or Lambton. It has now been confirm by photo that 4478 is sitting in CP Agincourt yard now. It may show up at Hillcrest later this week after 4651 has been off loaded. 4471 could be at Agincourt with no shot of it or is in transit.

The question is, have the cars been rebuilt?? Is TTC =going the rebuilding of them or use them for spare parts
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I do not think it is reasonable to assume that the cars will be sources of spare parts; in the photo shown, 4478 is already equipped with the silver crown above the cab part of the VISION system, which it didn't have in 2018.

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Bombardier/Alstom Flexity Deliveries

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I don't know why they wouldn't come with seat inserts, but perhaps Alstom only ordered enough to outfit the ordered 60 and not any extras.

What would be the point of bringing the cars back to the city to harvest them for spare parts? Surely harvesting them and loading those parts into crates onto a standard truck would be much cheaper than shipping the entire vehicle by rail.
 
T3G said:
I don't know why they wouldn't come with seat inserts, but perhaps Alstom only ordered enough to outfit the ordered 60 and not any extras.
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I'd assume TTC didn't contract for this, as it's cheaper and straight-forward to do it themselves. But how much else is still to do.
 
Looks like 4478 is tracking again. Actually it was on briefly on on June 19 and 26 as well.

I wonder how long before it sees service again. 7 years now! Hopefully it doesn't hit 8.

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nfitz said:
Looks like 4478 is tracking again. Actually it was on briefly on on June 19 and 26 as well.

I wonder how long before it sees service again. 7 years now! Hopefully it doesn't hit 8.

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It has to be rebuilt inside, repainted along with other work and then doing the testing, Work is supposed to be split between Hillcrest and Leslie with SWIS done at Russell, You may see it in service come Sept-Oct, but time will tell. The4 471 car may show up this week or next and it suffer more than 4479 with a longer lead time to return to service after it arrives..

4652 has been off loaded leaving 11 more to come.
 
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Since I was away in June and tie up on things this month, I need to get myself up to date what has happen in the past months for cars.

June 10/2025 Saw 4651 off loading and is having major issues trying to enter service for sometime from Russell. it has done extra testing since the SWIS work was done.
June 11/2025 Saw 4649 enter service (37 Days On Route 503)
June 17/2025 Saw 4478 off loaded and tow to Leslie
June 18/2025 Saw 4648 enter service (34 Days On Route 503)
June 23/2025 Saw 4652 off loaded.
July 01/2025 Saw 4650 enter service (28 Days On Route 505)
July 03/2025 Saw 4654 off loaded
July 09/2025 Saw 4653 off loaded
July 15/2025 Saw 4655 off loaded
July 30/2025 Saw 4652 enter service (37 Days On Route 503)
July 30/2025 Sees 4656 sitting at the loading dock to be off loaded and most likely next week.
July 30/2025 Saw 4653 moved to Russel for SWIS

7 more cars to be delivery to complete the order for 60 cars and waiting for 4471 to show up.

I was told this week that they saw a TTC car on a flat deck a few weeks ago and couldn't give me a number, but supposed to be red. He may have seen one of the heritage cars being relocated and so far no info of an Flexity being shipped on a flat deck to Alstom Brampton plant for work on it. Odd it would be shipped to Brampton, not TB let alone why..
 
Aug 2
July 31 saw 4656 off loaded
July 31 saw 4654 enter service after 28 days on 503
Aug 02 saw 4651 enter service after 53 days on 509
 
Itstoonoisy said:
I am perplexed and do not understand why the TTC doesn't want to utilize buses only in our downtown streets. What are they afraid of?? The cost?
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Simple!!;;;;;Cost

You need 3-4 buses to carry the load of 1 LRV along with 9-12 drivers compared to 3 for an LRV. Then you need another bus garage and buses to supply buses to replace the LRV/s along with staff to maintain them at is another cost to be added yearly.

Over a 30 year life cycle. LRV's save $90 to $250 million compared to buses and this based on dated done 10+ years ago. Buses still get caught up in traffic like LRB's
 
G_DOG said:
seen 4656 testing on lakeshore in mimico an hour ago around 6:15 pm
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It was off loaded Aug 2 and I haven't been following the last batch of cars to see when it started testing. From what I can see, it started testing Aug 11 doing only one trip and back into the service bay as well after a lot of one trip run. Been out most the day with a few trips to the service bay during the day and not the norm. Could be another 4651 car that had a lot of issues getting into service for 52 days

A number of the first batch of cars are having an 8 year rebuilt done on them which is odd considering it would happen around 15 years. Maybe 4462 and up may see the 15 year rebuilt done on them.
 
nfitz said:
Looks like 4478 is tracking again. Actually it was on briefly on on June 19 and 26 as well.

I wonder how long before it sees service again. 7 years now! Hopefully it doesn't hit 8.

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Last seen was Aug 4th
 
drum118 said:
Simple!!;;;;;Cost

You need 3-4 buses to carry the load of 1 LRV along with 9-12 drivers compared to 3 for an LRV. Then you need another bus garage and buses to supply buses to replace the LRV/s along with staff to maintain them at is another cost to be added yearly.

Over a 30 year life cycle. LRV's save $90 to $250 million compared to buses and this based on dated done 10+ years ago. Buses still get caught up in traffic like LRB's
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Nice to see the cost savings. But then why didn't most cities in North America keep their streetcar systems if they're more cost efficient?
 
Itstoonoisy said:
I am perplexed and do not understand why the TTC doesn't want to utilize buses only in our downtown streets. What are they afraid of?? The cost?
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Ridership on many streets downtown is too high for buses. The King streetcar has an annual ridership of 13.5 million people. That's more than some subway systems in the world.

When you start getting into double bendy buses to serve that need, the advantages of buses starts to break down rapidly. They don't work well in the snow and with such a long bus with 2 articulations they can't navigate the tight streets of downtown.

Fully electric battery buses are in their infancy and still have issues, especially for high frequency corridors. Diesel buses would pollute the streets with c02 and noise. The solution would be to have trolly buses with overhead wires.

Double articulated trolly buses... gee starting to look like.....a streetcar!
 
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