ADob
Active Member
Does anyone know what the story is here? This is basically an intersection of a busy street with a ...nothing burger of a street. I am absolutely stumped.
|
|
|
- Thread starter Daveography
- Start date
northlands
Senior Member
When the 102 ave bike lane was installed around 2017(?) there were no left turns allowed at this intersection to protect cyclists from being mowed over. Shortly after, the City changed their mind and brought in the current signaling as a compromise, since there wasn't enough space to have a dedicated left turn lane with an advance.
Despite popular thought, if the right lane signal is green and the left lane signal is red, you cannot legally proceed straight in the left lane.
ntt1
Active Member
I didn't know that the city posted raw data from specific Driver Feedback Signs (DFS):
data.edmonton.ca
data.edmonton.ca
I'm far from a data nerd but it'd be interesting to see some visualizations of some of these within certain contexts like 30kmh zones, 50kmh zones, 60kmh zones, road width/type, presence of bike infrastructure, etc..
Edmonton - Open Data Portal
The City of Edmonton maintains a wide range of data, API's, and interactive charts and maps. This information is maintained and utilized by all City departments, City of Edmonton's residents, general public, government and non-government agencies and online GIS user communities.
data.edmonton.ca
Edmonton - Open Data Portal
The City of Edmonton maintains a wide range of data, API's, and interactive charts and maps. This information is maintained and utilized by all City departments, City of Edmonton's residents, general public, government and non-government agencies and online GIS user communities.
data.edmonton.ca
I'm far from a data nerd but it'd be interesting to see some visualizations of some of these within certain contexts like 30kmh zones, 50kmh zones, 60kmh zones, road width/type, presence of bike infrastructure, etc..
dkazzed
Active Member
I waited in that left lane recently, drivers just changed into the right lane to get around me then got back into the left lane after the light.
ntt1
Active Member
Yet another pedestrian death in a suburban neighbourhood with ridiculously wide streets and intersections with unnecessarily long crossing distances: https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/art...trian-dead-hit-by-truck-in-west-edmonton-eps/.
Where it happened, for context: https://maps.app.goo.gl/3aYYGfMucUM4wbwP6
Last year there was a similar incident in Allard: https://globalnews.ca/news/10650577/edmonton-allard-fatal-pedestrian-collision-charges-laid/
I get the need to design collector roads for street parking, emergency vehicles and busses, but surely there is a better way. This type of road design just reinforces unsafe and dangerous driving habits. In a residential area.
Where it happened, for context: https://maps.app.goo.gl/3aYYGfMucUM4wbwP6
Last year there was a similar incident in Allard: https://globalnews.ca/news/10650577/edmonton-allard-fatal-pedestrian-collision-charges-laid/
I get the need to design collector roads for street parking, emergency vehicles and busses, but surely there is a better way. This type of road design just reinforces unsafe and dangerous driving habits. In a residential area.
Glenco
Senior Member
A huge issue is the trucks. They have very poor sight lines that make being around them very hazardous. Many children are killed on their own driveway because they are invisible to the driver.
thommyjo
Senior Member
F350. Shocker.
Colour me as surprised as when “speed was a factor” for another motorcycle death…
An 11 year old just watched their grandma get killed. I hope the driver serves time for vehicular manslaughter if it was their fault….
fromyeg
Active Member
I know this has been posted before.^
Can’t find it now, but there was another video on YouTube describing how non-grid neighbourhood layouts like this lead to more pedestrian injuries/deaths because the collector roads end up with high traffic volume and speeds. (Same situation in the Allard accident last year, also a truck.)
Very sad.
Also somewhat ridiculous that these new neighbourhoods aren’t built with traffic calming/safety measures already in place: curb extensions, pedestrian refuge island, raised crossings.
Not sure it that is happening now in current greenfield developments being built out?
ntt1
Active Member
It's ridiculous that a new neighbourhood like Allard has already had street labs measures put in by the city like speed bumps, curb extensions, etc.. Our design standards should require these from the get-go. No more 14.5 metre wide collector roads, that is a ridiculous amount of distance to expect someone to cross on a road where everyone is speeding. My neighbourhood has one of these streets and I'd wager that less than 20% of vehicles will actually stop and let you cross.
I know this has been posted before.^
Can’t find it now, but there was another video on YouTube describing how non-grid neighbourhood layouts like this lead to more pedestrian injuries/deaths because the collector roads end up with high traffic volume and speeds. (Same situation in the Allard accident last year, also a truck.)
Very sad.
Also somewhat ridiculous that these new neighbourhoods aren’t built with traffic calming/safety measures already in place: curb extensions, pedestrian refuge island, raised crossings.
Not sure it that is happening now in current greenfield developments being built out?
The way I sometimes see people drive in neighbourhoods really pisses me off. It's so selfish and dangerous for absolutely zero time saving. FFS, most streets are less than 5 minutes away from an arterial road that you can speed on, and 80% of the time you'll probably get caught at a traffic light leaving the neighbourhood.
TAS
Senior Member
Sorry about the crazy URL
City news release about new safety initiative on 118Ave focusing on Highlands School.
City news release about new safety initiative on 118Ave focusing on Highlands School.
BrettB
Active Member
Worth a try. I wonder what the data will show.
SarcasticMarmot
Active Member
I don't think it will be good enough, people speed inattentively down 118 all the time. My wife teaches at one of the schools in that area, and 2 years ago they had a parent and infant in stroller leaving parent teacher night get plowed into by a truck while they were in the flashing light pedestrian crossing. Thankfully they recovered from their injuries but it was horrible. Driver was never caught as far as I know.