Since we're in the realm of the vapourous and the ethereal, might I also suggest a land swap with Hydro One to free up that switching yard between the Hearn and the shipping channel? If we're going to be spending the equivalent of the GDP of a small nation on this project, then why not at least give it a fantastic waterfront park while we're at it?
 
^I imagine that this will be a phased development thus massive public investment isn’t required to get going. And the City has already stated that as long as the proponent provides essential services they are ok with beginning.
 
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Doppleganger said:
Since we're in the realm of the vapourous and the ethereal, might I also suggest a land swap with Hydro One to free up that switching yard between the Hearn and the shipping channel? If we're going to be spending the equivalent of the GDP of a small nation on this project, then why not at least give it a fantastic waterfront park while we're at it?
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How would this be economically viable?

You're talking about building an entirely new power plant, immediately adjacent to the existing one.........at an extraordinary cost.

Btw, the presence of the power plant is one of the things that makes this vapourware. That's noted in the material I posted in terms of mitigation requirements, due to said plant, which I would argue are under-stated.

It's also unclear to me that the PEC would actually fit on the remaining parcel......and to the extent that it would, how that would impact the proposed realignment of Unwin.

Even if you resolve all of that, you're now putting a brand now power plant up against all of the existing parkland, and, cutting off the new community from same.

Non-starter.
 
Northern Light said:
For the record, this proposal is more vapour than anything Kingsett has 'proposed' in the last decade.

I can enumerate a long list of reasons...........but for now.......don't anyone hold their breath at this getting off the ground anytime soon.......if ever.
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"Ever" is a long time, but it's closer to reality than "anytime soon", even.
northyorker1 said:
honest question, why would anyone want to live there?
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A few might, but not in the style being proposed here (think Toronto Island-style cottages, not shoeboxes entirely disconnected from transit).
ChesterCopperpot said:
This will start after the get The Orbit finished :)
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Best take yet.
 
ProjectEnd said:
"Ever" is a long time, but it's closer to reality than "anytime soon", even.
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If that implies less than a decade, I would sincerely ask who is paying for the bridges, and the transit.

I don't see it, but you may well have insight I do not.
 
Northern Light said:
How would this be economically viable?

You're talking about building an entirely new power plant, immediately adjacent to the existing one.........at an extraordinary cost.

Btw, the presence of the power plant is one of the things that makes this vapourware. That's noted in the material I posted in terms of mitigation requirements, due to said plant, which I would argue are under-stated.

Its also unclear to me that the PEC would actually fit on the remaining parcel......and to the extent that it would, how that would impact the proposed realignment of Unwin.

Even if you resolve all of that, you're now putting a brand now power plant up against all of the existing parkland, and, cutting off the new community from same.

Non-starter.
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I never said anything about building a new power plant. I only suggested relocating the existing switching yard north of the Hearn to free up that area so that it could be better utilized as a public space along the shipping channel. Hydro One already owns a parcel of land east of the gas-powered station where it could be relocated, and this would have no impact on any realignment of Unwin. Of course, it would be costly, but if we're already making a substantial commitment to rehabilitating the Hearn, it might be worth considering so that we can better enjoy this attraction from all sides.
 
Doppleganger said:
I never said anything about building a new power plant. I only suggested relocating the existing switching yard north of the Hearn to free up that area so that it could be better utilized as a public space along the shipping channel. Hydro One already owns a parcel of land east of the gas-powered station where it could be relocated, and this would have no impact on any realignment of Unwin. Of course, it would be costly, but if we're already making a substantial commitment to rehabilitating the Hearn, it might be worth considering so that we can better enjoy this attraction from all sides.
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Fair enough, I suppose.

Though I did not read your post as being that specific, but perhaps that was my oversight.

Regardless...........unless PE corrects me............. I see no reason to believe this will be happening..........for a very long time, if ever.
 
Northern Light said:
If that implies less than a decade, I would sincerely ask who is paying for the bridges, and the transit.

I don't see it, but you may well have insight I do not.
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Northern Light said:
Fair enough, I suppose.

Though I did not read your post as being that specific, but perhaps that was my oversight.

Regardless...........unless PE corrects me............. I see no reason to believe this will be happening..........for a very long time, if ever.
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Same page. All I'm saying is 5 or 10 years and 30 or 50 years are very different things. That also implies I believe we'll all still be here in 30-50 years which...
 
^All good points but I will put forward the following: this is a very large concept that will have a degree of ‘15 minute’ built in thus one is not walking, scootering, driving for everything. Also this will provide STUNNING views which is powerful on top of a being a unique amenity. Finally, though it is thought of as being isolated/distant from everything the areas to the north are rapidly developing and this is in a growing number of people’s backyard. Leslieville is a 5-7 minute über as is Cherry and Commissioners.

Palace Pier anyone?!
 
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Same page. All I'm saying is 5 or 10 years and 30 or 50 years are very different things. That also implies I believe we'll all still be here in 30-50 years which...
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Well.........that's certainly a long time..............

You're still a youngin..........so you're chances seem decent.......*. @DSCToronto might still be under 110 so we can't rule him out either.

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* I just pictured you as a grandpa.........wearing an ugly Christmas sweater.......... very weird.......... just sayin..... 🤣
 
Villiers Island's completion will be in 20 years.... so this one will be in like 30 years I am guessing. A lot could have changed, the plan prolly will look different by then.
 
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