okay, maybe this answers my question.

The city and building suck.

I mean if a successful, established event with a 41 page application/mission statement can’t even get a response…

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Looks like cost to rent from 7am-7pm is $5,000. TCAF full table is $500, Stationary show looks like $250. So on the low end, 20 tables sold and you’re covering rent. Would the BIA try to woo an event to the site or is that left entirely to the city?
The TCAF has recently taken multiple floors at the Mattamy Athletic Centre, and before that, multiple floors at the Toronto Reference Library. Why in god's name would they rent the North Hall when it's barely even the same size as the Bram & Bluma Appel Salon at the back of the TRL? Maybe for secondary programming, but it's a bit of a distance for casual event goers.
 
I’ve always been east end. I loathe the west end. I loathe having to trek west of Spadina for anything, ALMOST as much as every pretentious fop for the last 60yrs has said “eeew, there’s no way I’m crossing the DVP”. The only smug satisfaction I have is watching all the aging Ossington/Queen West hipsters buy houses in East York and act like they’re Columbus while gentrifying Linsmore Tavern.
As an "aging Ossington/Queen West hipster" who now lives (technically) in the East End (but who doesn't own a house!), I found this comment LOL.

But as to why there aren't community events: as someone who occasionally organizes community events, everyone bemoans the lack of community events until a local organizer invites people to an event, and then everyone is like, "Oh, I'm busy that weekend" or "It's too far" or "it's slightly different than what I was imagining an ideal community event would be." It takes an enormous amount of energy, effort and almost mindless determination to put on an even half-failing community event.

If you don't see any community events you like, I recommend you host some! Be the change you want to see in the world.
 
I’ve always been east end. I loathe the west end. I loathe having to trek west of Spadina for anything, ALMOST as much as every pretentious fop for the last 60yrs has said “eeew, there’s no way I’m crossing the DVP”. The only smug satisfaction I have is watching all the aging Ossington/Queen West hipsters buy houses in East York and act like they’re Columbus while gentrifying Linsmore Tavern.

Ohh this is some juicy banter! 😁
 
As an "aging Ossington/Queen West hipster" who now lives (technically) in the East End (but who doesn't own a house!), I found this comment LOL.

But as to why there aren't community events: as someone who occasionally organizes community events, everyone bemoans the lack of community events until a local organizer invites people to an event, and then everyone is like, "Oh, I'm busy that weekend" or "It's too far" or "it's slightly different than what I was imagining an ideal community event would be." It takes an enormous amount of energy, effort and almost mindless determination to put on an even half-failing community event.

If you don't see any community events you like, I recommend you host some! Be the change you want to see in the world.
Tell me you’ve been to Linsmore Tavern.Telllllll meeee. You totally have haven’t you?
 
Yeah, but as an Old Toronto resident I can attest that luchadore fighting in North Market would never happen because the old folks who live here would be against it in a heartbeat. They want a cute little overpriced farmer's market and nothing more. Anything that might be even vaguely culturally not white isn't going to fly lol. One in an FB group was complaining two weeks in advance that she wouldn't be able to get to a memorial service in North York because the marathon would be shuttering streets. We can't have anything vaguely looking like a community lest they prevent their cars from moving for a morning, and frankly given how many people talk about the homeless or mentally ill I'm willing to venture far enough and say that we don't really have community in a healthy sense in many parts of our society anyway. The Danforth food fest or whatever they call themselves would rather wither away and die than accept others.

And don't get me wrong, the West End is annoying for a whole slew of different reasons - like when I'm on the King car and the Liberty village couple in full gore-tex on a sunny day get on - but it's far better for any sort of event than Old Toronto or most of the East End would be. East End is simply an older demo and with it only allows for certain kinds of events.
 
The Danforth food fest or whatever they call themselves would rather wither away and die than accept others.
It is celebration of Greek food and Greek culture so why would they not try to keep it that way? They clearly promote it as such: "The Taste of the Danforth, Canada's largest Greek street festival, is confirmed to return to Toronto's Greektown from August 7–9, 2026, after a two-year hiatus due to funding constraints."
 
It is celebration of Greek food and Greek culture so why would they not try to keep it that way? They clearly promote it as such: "The Taste of the Danforth, Canada's largest Greek street festival, is confirmed to return to Toronto's Greektown from August 7–9, 2026, after a two-year hiatus due to funding constraints."
Taste of the Danforth's major issue is the BIA, who IIRC failed to apply to city grants to help alleviate financial issues, and also IIRC wasn't paying their organizer(s). They're their own main enemy. I think the BIA blamed bike lanes one of the previous years for their inability to host the event? IMO, TotD was a weekend where when I lived there I would actively try to be out of town for because it was the same overpriced food at every stall and they would essentially force all other non-food businesses to close for the weekend. It's a good example of how food festival culture is very corporate now and how Greektown is pretty good if you go on literally any weekend that isn't TotD.
 
Tell me you’ve been to Linsmore Tavern.Telllllll meeee. You totally have haven’t you?
Ha! No. I had to google it. Which is even more ironic because I apparently used to live down the street from it in the late '90s, before West Queen West was even a thing, and I have no recollection of it. (I'm a very aged hipster.) Honestly, even though I live in the East End now it still seems too far away to visit lol
 
Yeah, but as an Old Toronto resident I can attest that luchadore fighting in North Market would never happen because the old folks who live here would be against it in a heartbeat. They want a cute little overpriced farmer's market and nothing more. Anything that might be even vaguely culturally not white isn't going to fly lol. One in an FB group was complaining two weeks in advance that she wouldn't be able to get to a memorial service in North York because the marathon would be shuttering streets. We can't have anything vaguely looking like a community lest they prevent their cars from moving for a morning, and frankly given how many people talk about the homeless or mentally ill I'm willing to venture far enough and say that we don't really have community in a healthy sense in many parts of our society anyway. The Danforth food fest or whatever they call themselves would rather wither away and die than accept others.

And don't get me wrong, the West End is annoying for a whole slew of different reasons - like when I'm on the King car and the Liberty village couple in full gore-tex on a sunny day get on - but it's far better for any sort of event than Old Toronto or most of the East End would be. East End is simply an older demo and with it only allows for certain kinds of events.

Except for this not being true, it's a fine screed.

'Greektown' and adjacent areas of Danforth are quite diverse.

The restaurant make up includes, Mexican, Brazillian, Thai, Shwarma, Italian, Indian, and there's Little Ethiopia just to the east.

It's not merely the businesses (and almost all participate in Taste of the Danforth) ; the area itself is quite diverse. Certainly far from Toronto's most diverse, but this ain't Forest Hill either.

Across the 4 nieghbourhoods that border this section of Danforth, on average, about 30% of residents are foreign born. Certainly well below the average for the City but hardly monocultural or lacking in diversity.

This is broadly similar to many west end nabes, from Roncy to Little Italy to The Annex.

There are also very active community groups with a social conscience, you can see that conscience in the new affordable housing on the site of Danforth Baptist. Another nearby church has extensive homeless outreach and serves free meals for those in need; there are very active groups supporting new immigrants, and sponsoring same.

There is already lots of City housing in the area (not to say enough), but this is a very inclusive community on balance.

You have skewed perception of the area that does not represent it accurately.


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All that said, how on earth did a thread about St. Lawrence Market North get so far off track? Can everyone please pipe down on silly stereotypes and jabs at different areas. It's not constructive, it's not helpful, it's generally wrong, and it's most certainly off topic.
 
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I still stand on the west end sucking-

But what is it about St Lawrence/Esplanade neighbourhood that doesn’t foster the kind of community we see in other places? Are we close enough downtown to be too transient for roots?

Folks really seem to be coming together for all the Crombie celebrations (can someone tell me why, btw?). And Jami has their hub at Berkley and Esplanade.

I don’t think King st businesses have ever rallied together for a fest. I think we do have “Friends of Berzcy” no? SLNA BIA has programmed Market street, Berzcy and St James Park over the years.

I dunno, maybe the city doesn’t have its shit together with the building yet, and won’t until Market Lane Park is done.

Did we just make another thing for tourists on Saturday or is the community not yet fully connected? I don’t think I’ve ever been inside st Lawrence Hall for anything fwiw.
 
I still stand on the west end sucking-

Preference are fine; but raising the idea, worded in that fashion is just trolling for a response from those who disagree, and it has nothing to do with the building that is the subject of this thread.

But what is it about St Lawrence/Esplanade neighbourhood that doesn’t foster the kind of community we see in other places? Are we close enough downtown to be too transient for roots?

Folks really seem to be coming together for all the Crombie celebrations (can someone tell me why, btw?). And Jami has their hub at Berkley and Esplanade.

I think the neighbourhood has a strong sense of community. Led in great part by another UT member who is deeply involved in making his hood awesome.
 
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