Woodbridge_Heights said:
Beat me to the punch a bit. Yes the East Harbour transit station, though ill sited for my preferred stadium location, will see Lakeshore (and Stoufville?) GO and Ontario line service. Plus Cherry and QQE streetcar service. The walk from East Harbour station to the stadium would be no longer than the current walking distance from Union to Rogers Centre (~1 km). Access from the East would probably improve since the trip would avoid the Bloor-Yonge interchange, but from the North and North West might decline since there would be no easy access to the site from the Bloor Line and/or would necessitate a transfer at Union.

Would a Portlands site suffer the same troubles as Exhibition? Yes. But at least by separating them to different sites, on either side of Union no one area gets hammered
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I honestly don't even know how serious that location is, but I just remember that area being bandied about when talk of a new stadium began. Having said that, it's one of the only few locations that makes practical sense. They're not going to put the stadium uptown at Downsview. They want to keep it downtown, and if they're going to keep it DT, that area is the only area I can think off with the room to develop. With that transit hub coming in, it makes sense. The Ontario line is supposed to be complete around 2031, so the time frame of building a new stadium also jives as were talking between 7=10 years from now.

Again, Rogers feels like they sitting on the asset that's not making them nearly enough money. (the big lease they have where the Dome is now)

So right now they make money of 81 home Jay's games, and the odd Taylor Swift concert...lol. Now if you put offices and condo's or whatever else on that land, with year round tennants, my guess is that's more profitable.
 
C-mac said:
Not sure if you aware of this, but there's thing called the Ontario line being built, and on that line there is going to be something called East Harbour Transit Hub. That transit hub is going to be immediately east of DVP and south of Eastern Avenue. Right in the heart of the Portlands.
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And put this stadium where in the Portlands exactly?

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just like that? :rolleyes:
 
ChesterCopperpot said:
just like that? :rolleyes:
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Well I mean we're talking 7-10 years from now, that whole area is still in the planning stage. You're trying to suggest between now and then there isn't going to be room for changes?

Furthermore, I'm not even sure how legit this rumor was, it just made sense to me given the even more challenges to put the stadium anywhere else.
 
C-mac said:
Not sure if you aware of this, but there's thing called the Ontario line being built, and on that line there is going to be something called East Harbour Transit Hub. That transit hub is going to be immediately east of DVP and south of Eastern Avenue. Right in the heart of the Portlands.
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Obviously aware. Where would you envision a potential stadium being built within walking distance to that station?

At minimum, you would need a spur line.
 
I'm asking where you'd place this hypothetical stadium that's close to the East Harbour transit hub.
 
UrbanAffair said:
Obviously aware. Where would you envision a potential stadium being built within walking distance to that station?

At minimum, you would need a spur line.
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My guess is the stadium would be somewhat close to the transit hub.

It's a 10 minute walk from Union Station to the RC. I'm sure if they indeed decided to put the stadium there, my guess is they would try to keep close to the transit hub as possible. Maybe like a 10 minute walk?

So it would be a similar set up.
 
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ChesterCopperpot said:
I'm asking where you'd place this hypothetical stadium that's close to the East Harbour transit hub.
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Any my answer was one of the patches of land with no buildings on it.

I'm not sure what the argument is here. Is the only way to have a new stadium is if the train drives right into the stadium??

We're literally talking about a 10 minute walk from most of that area, the same distance it takes to walk from Union to Rogers Centre.

I mean these issue are small in contrast to the challenges of putting the stadium somewhere else.
 
which piece of land
 
C-mac said:
Well we could pick one of those green patches, or perhaps since non of those pink buildings have actually been built yet, maybe one of those spots.
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I think the point Chester is trying to make, is that all those vacant areas are spoken for, either for future residential use which achieves the maximal use of the land in a growing community, or industrial use, which is also desired close to the city, particularly for cement, power, etc.. I suppose Rogers could buy the land, but that assumes a lot regarding planning approvals, incl OPA, ZBLA. It also assumes a willing seller, and a price that makes sense for Rogers. It also assumes assemblage of lands is possible to create enough space.

I frankly don't see it, unless it's out by like Hearn or Unwin or something, and then you need transit for sure.
 
UrbanAffair said:
I think the point Chester is trying to make, is that all those vacant areas are spoken for, either for future residential use which achieves the maximal use of the land in a growing community, or industrial use, which is also desired close to the city, particularly for cement, power, etc.. I suppose Rogers could buy the land, but that assumes a lot regarding planning approvals, incl OPA, ZBLA. It also assumes a willing seller, and a price that makes sense for Rogers. It also assumes assemblage of lands is possible to create enough space.

I frankly don't see it, unless it's out by like Hearn or Unwin or something, and then you need transit for sure.
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Well I think much of this depends on how much Ed thinks he'll make on his ROI.

Here's what I do know, the story isn't going away. I believe where there's smoke there's fire, and no matter which area you pick that is downtown, you're going to have these issues. Seeing as this area is not yet developed, it still seems less challenging then this concept of trying to somehow build this mix use complex where the stadium is currently, or most other areas DT.

Somebody is obviously privy to what his idea is and what his vision is, or the story would have gone away already.
 
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Wouldn't building a new stadium on what is currently surface parking at Exhibition make more sense, as not only is it effectively empty land but it's also tied-in with GO and OL and would pair with the other sports properties at BMO? If they're going to create a mixed-use community with all of the sports in one spot that would be the logical place to do so, at least more-so than East Harbour.
 
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