TwinHuey said:
We do have heliports that serve a purpose at hospitals reasonably close to the trauma centres (Ajax Lake Ridge, Markham Stouffville, Mississauga Credit Valley).

Based on my experience, these heliports are used not only to airlift patients to trauma centres, but also to bring in specialized transport teams from the Hospital for Sick Children.

It may be helpful to hear from those in health care (@PL1 ?) as my background is aviation, but the EMS helicopters are equipped as flying intensive care units staffed with critical care paramedics providing care that is not normally available in the land ambulances.
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I don't have a lot of knowledge about the specifics of ORNGE helicopter use.
However a couple of comments: sometimes patients transported to one hospital crash and need to be urgently transported to a higher level centre. I know we (Sunnybrook) have received hospital to hospital transfers by helicopter (as land transfer can be hellacious/slow at certain times of the day). I imagine there would be some of these transfers to the level 1 centres from level 3 centres (e.g.) Trillium 2.0: The Gilganing. It may depend where the patient is when they require transport, because there are also relatively frequent land transfers with police escorts closing streets. Time matters.
 
TwinHuey said:
We do have heliports that serve a purpose at hospitals reasonably close to the trauma centres (Ajax Lake Ridge, Markham Stouffville, Mississauga Credit Valley).

Based on my experience, these heliports are used not only to airlift patients to trauma centres, but also to bring in specialized transport teams from the Hospital for Sick Children.

It may be helpful to hear from those in health care (@PL1 ?) as my background is aviation, but the EMS helicopters are equipped as flying intensive care units staffed with critical care paramedics providing care that is not normally available in the land ambulances.

I'm no expert in engineering / design / development (@ProjectEnd ?), but if included in the initial planning of a new building, a hospital heliport is reasonably inexpensive. The helideck kit is approximately US$500K and pretty much turn key (lighting, safety nets, snow melt, fire suppression, fuel spill, etc). This is the same helideck kit used at St. Michaels Hospital, Sunnybrook Health Sciences and Hamilton.

All that is required is elevator access to the roof including a small entrance vestibule. I would like to think this should be easy to do in the planning. Is this considered cost prohibitive?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=619031068885179
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Agree with all of this. Barring any potential flight path issues, the actual construction of a landing pad is peanuts on the total budget of the building.
 
Sauga89 said:
It doesn't have anything to do with hospitals, although it's relevant to the larger discussion about whether Brampton or Mississauga gets better treatment from the province. You're probably right that Brampton deserves a better second hospital, but Khaldoon's point about Brampton getting better treatment in other ways is also somewhat valid I think.
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Maybe we should dig up the corpse of Hazel if we’re going to get into this tit for tat.

This has nothing to do with Peel Region grievances.
 
ShonTron said:
Maybe we should dig up the corpse of Hazel if we’re going to get into this tit for tat.

This has nothing to do with Peel Region grievances.
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Lets not please.
 
@ProjectEnd .....I checked multiple stories across multiple press sites .....and they all said this single hospital project was costing 14B as in fourteen billion.

That can't be right can it?

That seems comical.

Its ~2,800,000ft2 ...... that would be $5,000 per ft2
 
Northern Light said:
@ProjectEnd .....I checked multiple stories across multiple press sites .....and they all said this single hospital project was costing 14B as in fourteen billion.

That can't be right can it?

That seems comical.

Its ~2,800,000ft2 ...... that would be $5,000 per ft2
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Probably inclusive of outfitting and 30 years of operations and maintenance?

AoD
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
Probably inclusive of outfitting and 30 years of operations and maintenance?

AoD
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It is for the all-in on the P3...........good call, but still grossly excessive.

After some googling...........I found this media story:

thepointer.com

Auditor General reveals new Mississauga Hospital project $4 billion over budget

Auditor General reveals new Mississauga Hospital project $4 billion over budget.
thepointer.com thepointer.com

Ellis Don, sole bidder. Costs have skyrockted.

That led me to the Auditor General's Report on this project:


Oh is that a maddening read......

From the AG's report:

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And lots more if you follow the link.
 
Northern Light said:
Its ~2,800,000ft2 ...... that would be $5,000 per ft2
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AlvinofDiaspar said:
Probably inclusive of outfitting and 30 years of operations and maintenance?
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It may also include the cost of the new parking garage, the demolition of the old parking garage, land acquisition and demolition for the 2 nearby buildings which had to be taken down, and the future demolition of the existing hospital.

I'm not going to defend that $14B number though. I winced too when I read it.
 
DBRS posted a bond pre-sale report a week back on this one. Its publicly available, you just need to create a 30-day trial account.

Costs are below. Construction appears to be around $7.5B - still around 2,700/sf. I think Niagara South was around half of that. With a project this big you actually lose economies of scale and go the other way.

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Just the financing on this one would be enough to build another West Park or Michael Garron sized hospital.
 
Lake Ontario said:
Updated renderings showing revisions to the facade.
From https://trilliumhealthworks.ca/
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There still seem to be green roofs, but it looks like they've pulled back on the rooftop trees. I'd hope some of that is just landscaping, but I'm guessing a tree might need more drainage, dirt, etc.

Also, for those not familiar with the area, the hospital will visibly dwarf anything around it. Now that construction has been announced, the city really needs to be more pro-active about encouraging development around the hospital. The official plan calls for up to 25 storeys in the surrounding area, but progress on the one or two nearby projects on UT's map seems to have stonewalled.
 
It definitely got hit with the Cheapening stick. I would say it went from really nice to average or maybe slightly better than average. Still nice and tall and bulky, but definitely cheapened details.
 
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