[narduch]

Travelers still willing to travel to the USA probably won't be put off by this

 

[Tim MacDonald]

Getting rid of preclearance just makes Buffalo a lot more attractive for Canadian flyers.

 

[Admiral Beez]

To be fair.. having pre-clearance isn't a dealbreaker.

I have friends for whom it is. If you’re a Canadian citizen or PR with a “dodgy” country of birth, like Iran or Venezuela, you’d much rather be refused entry while still on Canadian soil than being detained indefinitely by ICE at the US airport.

 

[dowlingm]

I have friends for whom it is. If you’re a Canadian citizen or PR with a “dodgy” country of birth, like Iran or Venezuela, you’d much rather be refused entry while still on Canadian soil than being detained indefinitely by ICE at the US airport.

This. Given the situation in the U.S. at present and the very wide scope of what is being deemed grounds for inadmissibility, a very wide scope of people have good reason to fear a land crossing, even if they presently hold Canadian citizenship.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Getting rid of preclearance just makes Buffalo a lot more attractive for Canadian flyers.

Or, how about we all skip US travel entirely?

 

[Tim MacDonald]

Or, how about we all skip US travel entirely?

I have but there are those that have relatives or property in the USA that makes travel necessary. Post cleared flights into the USA are not fun. I think the last time I had to do a post clear was in 1992 at SEA or ORD so I can't imagine it has gotten any better under the current situation.

 

[Amare]

To be fair.. having pre-clearance isn't a dealbreaker.

It makes life much, much easier having pre-clearance around. Far less likelihood of dealing with the stupidity of American border agents.

 

[DSCToronto]

I have but there are those that have relatives or property in the USA that makes travel necessary. Post cleared flights into the USA are not fun. I think the last time I had to do a post clear was in 1992 at SEA or ORD so I can't imagine it has gotten any better under the current situation.

Absolutely, I used to have to do it in the 1980s and it was a total mess and, as you say, has likely not improved any. The problem is not only that it takes time but that the time it takes is (or was) VERY variable. Not a disaster if you are at your final destination but if you are transferring flights it is very hard to ensure you make the connection (and your luggage all needs to be re-screened too). The most serious effect of no pre-clearance would be that I bet we would see far fewer US citizens flying into Canadian airports after trans Atlantic or other international flights and that would affect Canadian airlines who have done quite well getting US passengers to transit via Canada.

 

[vatche]

Looks like AC is focusing on more European destination from yul than yyz.
Naples Catania mallorca. All from yul. Thoughts?

 

[Tim MacDonald]

Looks like AC is focusing on more European destination from yul than yyz.
Naples Catania mallorca. All from yul. Thoughts?

Connection play. Montreal is a good city since you can feed from Toronto and even the US. Not all of these may last. I heard they were planning these but didn't really pay too much attention. Are these going to be operated by the 321X?

 

[vatche]

Yes they are. Which is great. Much quicker to get there

 

[Woodbridge_Heights]

Rumour is that AC is running out of international gate space at YYZ.

At least at the times of the day that they'd be flying to Europe, and that there are more profitable destinations to fly to from YYZ. Terminal 1 has approx 23 potential international gates (swing gates included), and I can count about 16 European destinations before getting to Naples (London Heathrow, and Gatwick, Paris, Munich, Berlin, Rome, MIlan, Barcelona, Manchester, Amsterdam, Vienna, Brussels, Dublin, Frankfurt, Lisbon, and Zurich.

 

[christiesplits]

Rumour is that AC is running out of international gate space at YYZ.

At least at the times of the day that they'd be flying to Europe, and that there are more profitable destinations to fly to from YYZ. Terminal 1 has approx 23 potential international gates (swing gates included), and I can count about 16 European destinations before getting to Naples (London Heathrow, and Gatwick, Paris, Munich, Berlin, Rome, MIlan, Barcelona, Manchester, Amsterdam, Vienna, Brussels, Dublin, Frankfurt, Lisbon, and Zurich.

Does this include the “T1 spillover island” which requires a bus to access?

 

[Woodbridge_Heights]

Does this include the “T1 spillover island” which requires a bus to access?

No. In my mind the Infield Terminal should be reserved for peek times or as a backup while an expansion is being built.

 

[allabootmatt]

I think that's more than a rumor: it's obvious. The T1 international zone is a madhouse in the evening. Not just insufficient gates, but the gate areas themselves are far too small to accommodate multiple 300-400 passenger aircraft loading up at once.