UtakataNoAnnex said:
I think we should be far more disturbed that this puts this government above the law and accountability.
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Well, the government is elected and makes the law (within the confines of the constitution), so it's actually the most accountable. Arguably, any system that prioritizes private interests over the choices of the legislature is anti-democratic.

People might disagree with what the government is doing, but that doesn't mean it's illegal or actionable in court. These legal proceedings won't be successful and are a waste of time and money; maybe a publicity stunt. The government likely agreed to proceed to a full hearing simply to avoid further delay.

I'd say that the group should spend their effort on a media campaign, but almost everyone knows about the construction at Ontario Place and nobody (except a smallish, vocal group) seems to care. The government is polling extremely well.

I'm no fan of the PCs, but maybe it's time to change tactics or move on, which Olivia Chow seems to have recognized.

To me, the far more concerning issue is that the PC government now routinely refuses to release information on the "commercial" deals it makes, which deprives the public of information to which it should be entitled.
 
Dr. Snoot said:
To me, the far more concerning issue is that the PC government now routinely refuses to release information on the "commercial" deals it makes, which deprives the public of information to which it should be entitled.
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To me, we seem to be saying the same thing here...

...as I am also willing to move on if government is not trying to subvert rule of law in the process. Excusing itself from its own regulations and legislation seems to reek of that, IMO. But I also never claimed it was illegal, just problematic...there is a difference.
 
The government can always excuse itself from its own regulations and legislation. The government passed all that stuff in the first place! I don't know if I'm blowing up any big secret or something, but the government could just repeal the Environmental Protection Act rather than exempting this project from it. That's what we elect governments to do, is legislate.
 
evandyk said:
The government can always excuse itself from its own regulations and legislation. The government passed all that stuff in the first place! I don't know if I'm blowing up any big secret or something, but the government could just repeal the Environmental Protection Act rather than exempting this project from it. That's what we elect governments to do, is legislate.
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Not to beleaguer this any further, but as I noted over on the OSC thread…it’s not that they are not aware of that, they’re are doing this way because they can…regardless of how asinine it appears to us who care or the public. To which only demonstrates just how much contempt they have for this and due process.
 
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I have full confidence in the handling of the Island Airport Lands seeing how organized this process has been! 🤪
 
junctionist said:
An above-ground parking garage at the water's edge is utterly inappropriate.
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I am aghast at the idea.

What are the chances of this whole project getting canned or changed in our favour if Doug loses the next election?
 
storeys.com

Toronto Accepts Province's Authority To Advance Ontario Place Redevelopment

The Government of Ontario will introduce relevant legislation later today.
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Toronto Accepts Province's Authority To Advance Ontario Place Redevelopment​


Ontario has agreed to explore relocating the publicly funded, $500M parking garage to the grounds of Exhibition Place to "improve public access to the shoreline." The agreement will see the Ontario Science Centre move to the waterfront, although the Province and the City plan to work together to maintain community science-based programming at the existing site
 
The Star has an article out on the idea of the parking garage moving to the EX or not..............and being above ground......or not.........

www.thestar.com

Province pushing for above ground garage at Ontario Place due to cost, says head of CNE

The CEO of the CNE said he was told by the province that an underground parking garage could cost $800 million.
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From the above:

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For clarity.............the above means the working estimate for underground parking is now $250,000 per space.

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The province is apparently concerned it can't afford/justify that number.............and...:

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The article finishes somewhat awkwardly by pivoting to a Guelph developer who thinks the underground parking can be delivered for less than the original estimate, but still thinks delivering it above ground is a better idea.

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After reading the article I took a look at Kiwi Newton and they do genuinely seem to have a relatively innovative product for structure parking and seem to be getting a tonne of contracts for it lately.

He quotes $30,000 a spot, which is on the low end today. They could probably deliver it at that cost but only as an extremely bare-bones garage. Something like this which they delivered at one of the old IBM buildings up on Steeles in Markham recently:

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I doubt the province will opt for something that barebones, nor do I think it's particularly desirable.

More likely you are looking at something more like the garage they did for Humber College, which at 1,000 spaces was fairly large.. The Ontario Place garage would be almost triple the size though:

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You can see the solar panels they were discussing in the article. Overall I don't find it terribly unattractive.
 
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