[superior_chromatic]

https://pub-mississauga.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=64708

Here are the city plans to further improve the transitway stations. Curious what you guys think?

Thanks for digging this up.

This seems to be about changing the signs.

I'm not sure how that would improve the situation.

With the overall build-out, no. Right now the signage at City Centre Terminal is atrocious, though, and the layout isn't immediately obvious to anyone who isn't yet familiar with it from use. Some important platforms are not where you'd think you'd find them. So being able to see that (say) Platform O is across Rathburn, from the far end of the terminal, would be an improvement.

 

[Don Coyote]

I don't use this transitway very often but I have a bit of a gripe with it.

I live on the west end. In between the Winston Churchill and Erin Mills station. Neither of which is exactly a short walk; its actually over a km to Winston Churchill, and google will tell me its even longer to Erin Mills, but it directs me around, when there is a shortcut I can take that saves a bit of time. But it's not that much faster.

Its moot to catch a bus at Erin Mills station, however, and this is where my gripe is. And, I might be missing some information here, but I don't think I am. The problem with catching a bus at Erin Mills as opposed to Winston Churchill is it will be a fuller bus, and I'd like a seat. And here is essentially what I'm getting at - I cannot catch a bus at the end terminus of this Mississauga Transitway at Winston Churchill Station that actually starts at Winston Churchill Station. Every time I get on a bus, its actually already pretty packed. There is the 109 which I've most frequented, which starts at Meadowvale, but by the time I get on at Winston Churchill, its busy. There is also the 110, which starts at Clarkson GO, comes up, and then rides the transitway. Still, catching a bus that did not start on the transitway... I've gotten on MiWay a few times from there, and had to stand as we went to Erin Mills station, and then taken the 403 to Square One. Not ideal to be standing in a bus on the highway. And that's as far as I've been trying to go on these trips, only to Square One.

There is also two GO buses from what I can tell. I haven't taken them, but evidently, they do not start at Winston Churchill station either. There is the 29 GO bus which starts at Guelph and terminates at Kipling. And there is the 30 GO bus which starts in Kitchener I believe... and looking now, there might be other GO bus lines I could ride but again, none of them ride just the transitway.... and GO buses are more expensive, albeit only by a bit for a shorter distance, for what its worth.

None of these bus routes have very good frequency. From what google tells me it seems to be about every 20 minutes... I just wish I could take a bus from one end of the Mississaga Transitway to the other, from Winston Churchill to Renforth, without getting on a bus that started elsewhere.

I used to be able to take the 34 MiWay bus to Square One. It was great, but it is gone. I can take the 35, and catch a connecting bus, but that is not ideal. The 35 is usually pretty busy as well.

The bus stops along the former 34 route are much faster for me to reach on foot. It really is a shame they removed that route. Its like they are telling people in the area to just take the Mississauga Transitway if you're going to Square One, but it really is more out of the way and just not as good compare to what the 34 was.

I have further gripes that are minuscule in comparison to these. Like I can deal with the fact that Erin Mills Station and Winston Churchill Station were built by GO as opposed to MiWay, and that the built environment of them are just more car oriented and less people and pedestrian friendly. And I understand there is a missing link between Square One and the end West end of the transitway... but if we could at least have a transitway express route, I think that would be great.

Preferably with a little more frequency.

 

[Bojaxs]

I don't use this transitway very often but I have a bit of a gripe with it.

I live on the west end. In between the Winston Churchill and Erin Mills station. Neither of which is exactly a short walk; its actually over a km to Winston Churchill, and google will tell me its even longer to Erin Mills, but it directs me around, when there is a shortcut I can take that saves a bit of time. But it's not that much faster.

Its moot to catch a bus at Erin Mills station, however, and this is where my gripe is. And, I might be missing some information here, but I don't think I am. The problem with catching a bus at Erin Mills as opposed to Winston Churchill is it will be a fuller bus, and I'd like a seat. And here is essentially what I'm getting at - I cannot catch a bus at the end terminus of this Mississauga Transitway at Winston Churchill Station that actually starts at Winston Churchill Station. Every time I get on a bus, its actually already pretty packed. There is the 109 which I've most frequented, which starts at Meadowvale, but by the time I get on at Winston Churchill, its busy. There is also the 110, which starts at Clarkson GO, comes up, and then rides the transitway. Still, catching a bus that did not start on the transitway... I've gotten on MiWay a few times from there, and had to stand as we went to Erin Mills station, and then taken the 403 to Square One. Not ideal to be standing in a bus on the highway. And that's as far as I've been trying to go on these trips, only to Square One.

There is also two GO buses from what I can tell. I haven't taken them, but evidently, they do not start at Winston Churchill station either. There is the 29 GO bus which starts at Guelph and terminates at Kipling. And there is the 30 GO bus which starts in Kitchener I believe... and looking now, there might be other GO bus lines I could ride but again, none of them ride just the transitway.... and GO buses are more expensive, albeit only by a bit for a shorter distance, for what its worth.

None of these bus routes have very good frequency. From what google tells me it seems to be about every 20 minutes... I just wish I could take a bus from one end of the Mississaga Transitway to the other, from Winston Churchill to Renforth, without getting on a bus that started elsewhere.

I used to be able to take the 34 MiWay bus to Square One. It was great, but it is gone. I can take the 35, and catch a connecting bus, but that is not ideal. The 35 is usually pretty busy as well.

The bus stops along the former 34 route are much faster for me to reach on foot. It really is a shame they removed that route. Its like they are telling people in the area to just take the Mississauga Transitway if you're going to Square One, but it really is more out of the way and just not as good compare to what the 34 was.

I have further gripes that are minuscule in comparison to these. Like I can deal with the fact that Erin Mills Station and Winston Churchill Station were built by GO as opposed to MiWay, and that the built environment of them are just more car oriented and less people and pedestrian friendly. And I understand there is a missing link between Square One and the end West end of the transitway... but if we could at least have a transitway express route, I think that would be great.

Preferably with a little more frequency.

For the past 7 years, I've driven on the 403 in Mississauga almost daily to get to & from work. I don't often see Miway buses on the western portion at Winston Churchill & Erin Mills.

Someone with more knowledge than me, such as @drum118 would probably know better, but my guess for the poor frequency on the Mississauga transitway is perhaps due to the missing portion between Erin Mills and Square One? If the Transitway had 15 frequency, that would be quite a few Miway buses riding on the 403 shoulder. The stopping at traffic lights at this portion of the Transitway is what kills it for me. I've ridden the GO bus from Oakville on the Transitway and the traffic lights getting onto the Transitway at Winston Churchill and having to get off the Transitway after Erin Mills can easily add 10 minutes to the trip. I timed it.

It's a shame the Mississauga transitway is in the state that it currently is. This would be a viable transit option for me to get to and from work. Take the GO bus from Oakville to Bramalea station in Brampton and then take ZUM to Airport Rd. But in it's current state it's not viable.

- I would love to see it entirely grade separated, including by Square One. Mississauga could look to what Ottawa did with their Transitway stations. A station beside Square One, similar to Tunney's Pasture before the LRT conversion would be nice. Such as in the picture below.
- Metrolinx should extend the Transitway northwards along the eastern side of the 410 up to the 407. If the existing Mississauga transitway is entirely grade separated, then 407 GO buses can completely bypass traffic on the 403 & 410.
- Metrolinx should also connect the western portion of the Transitway to the 407 so eastbound GO buses can more seamlessly transition onto the Transitway from the 407. No stopping at traffic lights at the Winston Churchill, 403 off ramps.

 

[doady]

I don't use this transitway very often but I have a bit of a gripe with it.

I live on the west end. In between the Winston Churchill and Erin Mills station. Neither of which is exactly a short walk; its actually over a km to Winston Churchill, and google will tell me its even longer to Erin Mills, but it directs me around, when there is a shortcut I can take that saves a bit of time. But it's not that much faster.

Its moot to catch a bus at Erin Mills station, however, and this is where my gripe is. And, I might be missing some information here, but I don't think I am. The problem with catching a bus at Erin Mills as opposed to Winston Churchill is it will be a fuller bus, and I'd like a seat. And here is essentially what I'm getting at - I cannot catch a bus at the end terminus of this Mississauga Transitway at Winston Churchill Station that actually starts at Winston Churchill Station. Every time I get on a bus, its actually already pretty packed. There is the 109 which I've most frequented, which starts at Meadowvale, but by the time I get on at Winston Churchill, its busy. There is also the 110, which starts at Clarkson GO, comes up, and then rides the transitway. Still, catching a bus that did not start on the transitway... I've gotten on MiWay a few times from there, and had to stand as we went to Erin Mills station, and then taken the 403 to Square One. Not ideal to be standing in a bus on the highway. And that's as far as I've been trying to go on these trips, only to Square One.

There is also two GO buses from what I can tell. I haven't taken them, but evidently, they do not start at Winston Churchill station either. There is the 29 GO bus which starts at Guelph and terminates at Kipling. And there is the 30 GO bus which starts in Kitchener I believe... and looking now, there might be other GO bus lines I could ride but again, none of them ride just the transitway.... and GO buses are more expensive, albeit only by a bit for a shorter distance, for what its worth.

None of these bus routes have very good frequency. From what google tells me it seems to be about every 20 minutes... I just wish I could take a bus from one end of the Mississaga Transitway to the other, from Winston Churchill to Renforth, without getting on a bus that started elsewhere.

I used to be able to take the 34 MiWay bus to Square One. It was great, but it is gone. I can take the 35, and catch a connecting bus, but that is not ideal. The 35 is usually pretty busy as well.

The bus stops along the former 34 route are much faster for me to reach on foot. It really is a shame they removed that route. Its like they are telling people in the area to just take the Mississauga Transitway if you're going to Square One, but it really is more out of the way and just not as good compare to what the 34 was.

I have further gripes that are minuscule in comparison to these. Like I can deal with the fact that Erin Mills Station and Winston Churchill Station were built by GO as opposed to MiWay, and that the built environment of them are just more car oriented and less people and pedestrian friendly. And I understand there is a missing link between Square One and the end West end of the transitway... but if we could at least have a transitway express route, I think that would be great.

Preferably with a little more frequency.

The 35 killed the ridership of the 34 so its time was up. It's a system that's been transitioning away from hub-and-spoke model to more grid-based for the past 20 years, so better get used to transfers. And they have little choice, which is what we have been talking about with regard to overcrowding at terminals, particularly CCTT.

If you were getting on the 34 along Eglinton, there's no reason to get on the 109 at the Transitway station. There a stop for the 109 along Eglinton as well. Alternatively, you could take the 9 to Sq One.

The Transitway is more for setting up for a future regional BRT network, including the future 407 Transitway, which Doug Ford seems to have forgotten about his ridiculous Highway 401 Tunnel Plan.

 

[nfitz]

The Transitway is more for setting up for a future regional BRT network, including the future 407 Transitway, which Doug Ford seems to have forgotten about his ridiculous Highway 401 Tunnel Plan.

Very future at this rate.

Personally I think it will remain a white elephant until they do a few things. Such as:

• Build TODs around the stations
• Complete it west of Hurontario, so it doesn't have to go on surface roads into Square One and back onto the highway.
• Extend it to Kipling (down the Hydro Corridor that runs direct from Eglinton south to Kipling station)

I suppose Line 5 will help it - in the 2030s sometime. (though there was little evidence of that in the modelling they released)

 

[drum118]

Very future at this rate.

Personally I think it will remain a white elephant until they do a few things. Such as:

• Build TODs around the stations
• Complete it west of Hurontario, so it doesn't have to go on surface roads into Square One and back onto the highway.
• Extend it to Kipling (down the Hydro Corridor that runs direct from Eglinton south to Kipling station)

I suppose Line 5 will help it - in the 2030s sometime. (though there was little evidence of that in the modelling they released)

For the past 7 years, I've driven on the 403 in Mississauga almost daily to get to & from work. I don't often see Miway buses on the western portion at Winston Churchill & Erin Mills.

Someone with more knowledge than me, such as @drum118 would probably know better, but my guess for the poor frequency on the Mississauga transitway is perhaps due to the missing portion between Erin Mills and Square One? If the Transitway had 15 frequency, that would be quite a few Miway buses riding on the 403 shoulder. The stopping at traffic lights at this portion of the Transitway is what kills it for me. I've ridden the GO bus from Oakville on the Transitway and the traffic lights getting onto the Transitway at Winston Churchill and having to get off the Transitway after Erin Mills can easily add 10 minutes to the trip. I timed it.

It's a shame the Mississauga transitway is in the state that it currently is. This would be a viable transit option for me to get to and from work. Take the GO bus from Oakville to Bramalea station in Brampton and then take ZUM to Airport Rd. But in it's current state it's not viable.

- I would love to see it entirely grade separated, including by Square One. Mississauga could look to what Ottawa did with their Transitway stations. A station beside Square One, similar to Tunney's Pasture before the LRT conversion would be nice. Such as in the picture below.
- Metrolinx should extend the Transitway northwards along the eastern side of the 410 up to the 407. If the existing Mississauga transitway is entirely grade separated, then 407 GO buses can completely bypass traffic on the 403 & 410.
- Metrolinx should also connect the western portion of the Transitway to the 407 so eastbound GO buses can more seamlessly transition onto the Transitway from the 407. No stopping at traffic lights at the Winston Churchill, 403 off ramps.
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Dixie, Winston Churchill and Erin Mills stations are fully in the utility corridor with no chance of an TOD for them. Central Pkwy needs townhouse become mid-rises. Cawthra will never see any development period. Tomken can only see TOD south of East Gate that is single homes some 50 years from now as hydro and the utilities are on the northside with a sport complex and high school. The remaining stations will see mid-rise office buildings only and only on one side of the Transitway with Eglinton and Eastgate on the other side of the Transitway. Any thought of an Transitway to Kipling by Etobicoke Hydro corridor is dead as Hydro One is upgrading the corridor now and wants no transit in it.

As having the Transitway connecting to the 407, there is no room on Hwy 27 for one and MTO will never allow one on any of the 400's highway as no lanes are to be removed for transit nor lost of lanes for traffic unless there is a bus every 3-5 seconds.

Mississauga Transit is a small piece of the full Transitway from Pickering to Waterdown/Hamilton with the Finch and Etobicoke Hydro Corridor now removed from the master plan back in 2004. The Transitway is a GO Thing from day one with Mississauga Transit using the Mississauga section only.

The 2004 EA ridership numbers were very flaw back then that I challenged them while opposing it since the number said it should be an LRT. According to the 2004 ridership for 2025, ridership should be seeing today 15,000 per hour for peak time and just under 10,000 for off peak west of Renforth. You will be lucky to see 3000 for peak time today.

Mississauga Transitway was to have been built in 4 phases stating with CCTT to Dixie as phase 1 by the city with a tunnel from CCTT to the eastside of Hurontario and A tunnel from CCTT to go over the 403. CCTT was built with a underground station when it was built in the 90's. Since the city did not have the extra $20 million to build the tunnels, they where scrap. Phase 2 was to be from Erin Millis to Ridgeway with ramps to/from the 403, but based on current ridership projection at construction time, Ridgeway and the ramps were removed from the plan. Phase 3 was to be from Dixie to Renforth with a number of emergency exit/entrance, but was built without the emergency exit/entrance,
Phase 4 was to have been from Duke of York to Erin Mills, it die due backlash from the NIMBY folks at Creditivew and Mississauga Rd including the nursing home.

There is still talk about doing phase 4, but just talk like moving CCTT to the northside of the LRT and combining GO Transit into it. Even that new hub would have an underground station and tunnel for the Transitway, but still talk only. OMERS own all that land and was looking at building 3 14 story office towers next to the Hub, but OMERS has kill those 3 towers at this time.

Winston Churchill sees poor ridership with the 109 feeding the station mostly along with GO. Erin Mills sees more ridership with the 110 and 45 servicing it. Mississauga has want to reinstate 100 that was use to service the airport and never supported it as ridership was non existing in the first place. Ridership to the airport is from CCTT by the 107.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

The 2004 EA ridership numbers were very flaw back then that I challenged them while opposing it since the number said it should be an LRT. According to the 2004 ridership for 2025, ridership should be seeing today 15,000 per hour for peak time and just under 10,000 for off peak west of Renforth. You will be lucky to see 3000 for peak time today.

Whatever they are smoking must be really, really good. Hard to imagine anyone would actually believe that it will get what, 1/3 max subway ridership at peak. It's a line from nowhere leading to nowhere.

AoD

 

[nfitz]

The 2004 EA ridership numbers were very flaw back then that I challenged them while opposing it since the number said it should be an LRT. According to the 2004 ridership for 2025, ridership should be seeing today 15,000 per hour for peak time and just under 10,000 for off peak west of Renforth. You will be lucky to see 3000 for peak time today.

To be fair, 3000 just west of Renforth is higher than Line 5 was forecasted to be between Pearson and Jane. Or east of Victoria Park.

Eastbound at Renfrew (including ridership from Pearson), the Line 5 AM peak ridership was estimated to be 400 people.

15,000 is absurd. How could it be 15,000 when the only forecast a peak of 5,000 for Eglinton (AM peak eastbound at Cedarvale).

 

[kaptrice]

To be fair, 3000 just west of Renforth is higher than Line 5 was forecasted to be between Pearson and Jane. Or east of Victoria Park.

Eastbound at Renfrew (including ridership from Pearson), the Line 5 AM peak ridership was estimated to be 400 people.

15,000 is absurd. How could it be 15,000 when the only forecast a peak of 5,000 for Eglinton (AM peak eastbound at Cedarvale).

Eglinton in particular is modelled as having short average trip lengths as a "circumferential" line with the numerous transfers. Hence forecasts published gave a very low peak loading while also predicting annual boarding counts about 75% that of the Bloor-Danforth subway.

 

[Dan416]

I don't want to call the Mississauga Transitway useless, but in its current form, it definitely feels incomplete, particularly at MCC. The only time I have taken it is by GO bus to the airport, and in that use case, it's not bad. It does have to travel on local streets to get to the airport, but that part wasn't horrible when I took it, though I can't say if it's decent at all times of day.

The biggest issue I'd say is the connection to the TTC, and the fact that it doesn't seamlessly connect to the subway / any subway. I guess when Line 5 reaches Renforth station it will make a difference. But it remains to be seen how fast taking line 5 will be versus line 2.

 

[Don Coyote]

For the past 7 years, I've driven on the 403 in Mississauga almost daily to get to & from work. I don't often see Miway buses on the western portion at Winston Churchill & Erin Mills.

Someone with more knowledge than me, such as @drum118 would probably know better, but my guess for the poor frequency on the Mississauga transitway is perhaps due to the missing portion between Erin Mills and Square One? If the Transitway had 15 frequency, that would be quite a few Miway buses riding on the 403 shoulder. The stopping at traffic lights at this portion of the Transitway is what kills it for me. I've ridden the GO bus from Oakville on the Transitway and the traffic lights getting onto the Transitway at Winston Churchill and having to get off the Transitway after Erin Mills can easily add 10 minutes to the trip. I timed it.

It's a shame the Mississauga transitway is in the state that it currently is. This would be a viable transit option for me to get to and from work. Take the GO bus from Oakville to Bramalea station in Brampton and then take ZUM to Airport Rd. But in it's current state it's not viable.

- I would love to see it entirely grade separated, including by Square One. Mississauga could look to what Ottawa did with their Transitway stations. A station beside Square One, similar to Tunney's Pasture before the LRT conversion would be nice. Such as in the picture below.
- Metrolinx should extend the Transitway northwards along the eastern side of the 410 up to the 407. If the existing Mississauga transitway is entirely grade separated, then 407 GO buses can completely bypass traffic on the 403 & 410.
- Metrolinx should also connect the western portion of the Transitway to the 407 so eastbound GO buses can more seamlessly transition onto the Transitway from the 407. No stopping at traffic lights at the Winston Churchill, 403 off ramps.
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Yeah, the traffic lights do add to the time. Just leaving the station at Erin Mills sometimes you're sitting at a light for a little while to get on the highway. Really shows how the overall form of the transitway is incomplete to the western end, when between Winston Churchill and Erin Mills they can just zoom through to the next station like the rest of the transitway.

The picture you included really shows the difference in the built form of the stations on the west end. I have gotten on the transitway from Central Parkway riding westward, and its at least a bit better than the situation at Erin Mills and Winston Churchill, just from the pedestrian perspective.

In the picture you included I see covered spots for pedestrians and what appears to be a pedestrian bridge(?). The walkability aspect at Erin Mills and Winston Churchill is kind of terrible, while technically walkable.

What you don't see in the screenshot above is the fact that to get into the station on foot at Erin Mills, there is actually a decent little hill/incline... I am able bodied, but I do think about how that must be difficult for people who are not. I mean even for me it actually is a bit tiring. And to traverse to the other side of the station, through the parking lot, is just long and sometimes annoying... they could make it more pedestrian friendly with better signage (I've entered the wrong side of the platforms, and had to go all the way around to get to the right platform before, for example).... that little pedestrian trail on the west is where I can get into the station faster, but again, steep incline getting into the station, and not pedestrian friendly.

The situation is similar at Winston Churchill station, albeit without inclines. But again, entering the station as a pedestrian so far from the platforms, the whole space not really being pedestrian friendly - its not ideal and I wouldn't be surprised if it turns people away from going here.

I know the hydro corridor is right there and makes certain things more difficult, but some kind of either pedestrian bridge or tunnel to bypass the parking lot would make the experience better and frankly safer.

The 35 killed the ridership of the 34 so its time was up. It's a system that's been transitioning away from hub-and-spoke model to more grid-based for the past 20 years, so better get used to transfers. And they have little choice, which is what we have been talking about with regard to overcrowding at terminals, particularly CCTT.

If you were getting on the 34 along Eglinton, there's no reason to get on the 109 at the Transitway station. There a stop for the 109 along Eglinton as well. Alternatively, you could take the 9 to Sq One.

The Transitway is more for setting up for a future regional BRT network, including the future 407 Transitway, which Doug Ford seems to have forgotten about his ridiculous Highway 401 Tunnel Plan.

I hadn't thought to catch the 109 along Eglinton but you are right, that makes sense. It would be a little faster for me to get on foot. But there is maybe 1 or 2 stops between Eglinton before you get on the transitway so I assume it would still be a busy bus there, albeit maybe a bit less busy.

And I just tend to look at what google offers me up. I need to look into the 9 bus. I've never seen that pop up. The way I feel, I basically would rather take busses outside of this transitway to Square One because its just so busy whenever I get on, so thank you for that.

Honestly guys, I walk and drive past these two stations frequently, and its never very busy. In fact, the parking at the station always seems very empty... this doesn't help with what I'd wish, lol, but it seems to be the case. And even when I'm driving past stations more Easterly on the transitway, there hardly seems to be cars parked there either.

I know there is ridership, because when I've gotten on busses they usually are decently packed/rarely empty, but it does not seem of the park and ride variety too much.

You know, as I saw this getting built years ago and I knew less, I thought this was cool and it would help, but I feel like one of the main problems is it is so out of the way for the most part. Many of the stations are a trek on foot from anywhere close to where people live. The whole park and ride format is not really pedestrian friendly and is more akin to a GO train station.

At this point I kind of wish we had our own Eglinton LRT instead, running all the way East to West in the city... but if we had done that it probably would not have been built out by now, lol.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Yeah, the traffic lights do add to the time. Just leaving the station at Erin Mills sometimes you're sitting at a light for a little while to get on the highway. Really shows how the overall form of the transitway is incomplete to the western end, when between Winston Churchill and Erin Mills they can just zoom through to the next station like the rest of the transitway.

The picture you included really shows the difference in the built form of the stations on the west end. I have gotten on the transitway from Central Parkway riding westward, and its at least a bit better than the situation at Erin Mills and Winston Churchill, just from the pedestrian perspective.

In the picture you included I see covered spots for pedestrians and what appears to be a pedestrian bridge(?). The walkability aspect at Erin Mills and Winston Churchill is kind of terrible, while technically walkable.
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What you don't see in the screenshot above is the fact that to get into the station on foot at Erin Mills, there is actually a decent little hill/incline... I am able bodied, but I do think about how that must be difficult for people who are not. I mean even for me it actually is a bit tiring. And to traverse to the other side of the station, through the parking lot, is just long and sometimes annoying... they could make it more pedestrian friendly with better signage (I've entered the wrong side of the platforms, and had to go all the way around to get to the right platform before, for example).... that little pedestrian trail on the west is where I can get into the station faster, but again, steep incline getting into the station, and not pedestrian friendly.
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The situation is similar at Winston Churchill station, albeit without inclines. But again, entering the station as a pedestrian so far from the platforms, the whole space not really being pedestrian friendly - its not ideal and I wouldn't be surprised if it turns people away from going here.

I know the hydro corridor is right there and makes certain things more difficult, but some kind of either pedestrian bridge or tunnel to bypass the parking lot would make the experience better and frankly safer.

I hadn't thought to catch the 109 along Eglinton but you are right, that makes sense. It would be a little faster for me to get on foot. But there is maybe 1 or 2 stops between Eglinton before you get on the transitway so I assume it would still be a busy bus there, albeit maybe a bit less busy.

And I just tend to look at what google offers me up. I need to look into the 9 bus. I've never seen that pop up. The way I feel, I basically would rather take busses outside of this transitway to Square One because its just so busy whenever I get on, so thank you for that.

Honestly guys, I walk and drive past these two stations frequently, and its never very busy. In fact, the parking at the station always seems very empty... this doesn't help with what I'd wish, lol, but it seems to be the case. And even when I'm driving past stations more Easterly on the transitway, there hardly seems to be cars parked there either.

I know there is ridership, because when I've gotten on busses they usually are decently packed/rarely empty, but it does not seem of the park and ride variety too much.

You know, as I saw this getting built years ago and I knew less, I thought this was cool and it would help, but I feel like one of the main problems is it is so out of the way for the most part. Many of the stations are a trek on foot from anywhere close to where people live. The whole park and ride format is not really pedestrian friendly and is more akin to a GO train station.

At this point I kind of wish we had our own Eglinton LRT instead, running all the way East to West in the city... but if we had done that it probably would not have been built out by now, lol.

If you are going to drive to these stations - you might as well drive the rest of the way unless the destination is inconvenient to access by car (which is what, nowhere in this case). That's not to mention the noncompetitive rides offered (you'd have to wait or a bus which takes even longer to get to where you need to go), and you'd still be stuck with the last mile problem. So that left what, transit users? These stations are so out of the way, and so badly connected with the network that getting there for the sake of it is a waste of time when there are more convenient alternatives available.

But you know who was in power while this transitway was built.

AoD

 

[doady]

I hadn't thought to catch the 109 along Eglinton but you are right, that makes sense. It would be a little faster for me to get on foot. But there is maybe 1 or 2 stops between Eglinton before you get on the transitway so I assume it would still be a busy bus there, albeit maybe a bit less busy.

And I just tend to look at what google offers me up. I need to look into the 9 bus. I've never seen that pop up. The way I feel, I basically would rather take busses outside of this transitway to Square One because its just so busy whenever I get on, so thank you for that.

Honestly guys, I walk and drive past these two stations frequently, and its never very busy. In fact, the parking at the station always seems very empty... this doesn't help with what I'd wish, lol, but it seems to be the case. And even when I'm driving past stations more Easterly on the transitway, there hardly seems to be cars parked there either.

I know there is ridership, because when I've gotten on busses they usually are decently packed/rarely empty, but it does not seem of the park and ride variety too much.

You know, as I saw this getting built years ago and I knew less, I thought this was cool and it would help, but I feel like one of the main problems is it is so out of the way for the most part. Many of the stations are a trek on foot from anywhere close to where people live. The whole park and ride format is not really pedestrian friendly and is more akin to a GO train station.

At this point I kind of wish we had our own Eglinton LRT instead, running all the way East to West in the city... but if we had done that it probably would not have been built out by now, lol.

Have you tried 109 after the April service increase? Peak frequency increased from 11 to 8-9 minutes, so MAYBE overcrowding not as bad anymore. Just be glad you don't live along Britannia have to put up with an articulated buses every 19 minutes on the 39. Every 19 minutes. WITH ARTICULATED BUSES.

Honestly, if you spend so money on a car, I don't see why not keep driving. Especially if you got a family, car actually saves money, unless you have to pay for parking.

The Winston Churchill and Erin Mills stations are more of a GO thing than a MiWay thing. The Transitway overall is a regional, long distance thing rather than a local transit thing. Mississauga will still need an Eglinton LRT eventually. Doesn't mean the Transitway is a failure, it just serves an entirely different purpose. Even with Eglinton LRT they would still need to complete the Transitway to alleviate the overcrowding around the City Centre terminal.

Eglinton was one of the three corridors the City was considering for an east-west LRT. They ended up choosing Derry Road.
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[sixrings]

Yeah, the traffic lights do add to the time. Just leaving the station at Erin Mills sometimes you're sitting at a light for a little while to get on the highway. Really shows how the overall form of the transitway is incomplete to the western end, when between Winston Churchill and Erin Mills they can just zoom through to the next station like the rest of the transitway.

The picture you included really shows the difference in the built form of the stations on the west end. I have gotten on the transitway from Central Parkway riding westward, and its at least a bit better than the situation at Erin Mills and Winston Churchill, just from the pedestrian perspective.

In the picture you included I see covered spots for pedestrians and what appears to be a pedestrian bridge(?). The walkability aspect at Erin Mills and Winston Churchill is kind of terrible, while technically walkable.
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What you don't see in the screenshot above is the fact that to get into the station on foot at Erin Mills, there is actually a decent little hill/incline... I am able bodied, but I do think about how that must be difficult for people who are not. I mean even for me it actually is a bit tiring. And to traverse to the other side of the station, through the parking lot, is just long and sometimes annoying... they could make it more pedestrian friendly with better signage (I've entered the wrong side of the platforms, and had to go all the way around to get to the right platform before, for example).... that little pedestrian trail on the west is where I can get into the station faster, but again, steep incline getting into the station, and not pedestrian friendly.
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The situation is similar at Winston Churchill station, albeit without inclines. But again, entering the station as a pedestrian so far from the platforms, the whole space not really being pedestrian friendly - its not ideal and I wouldn't be surprised if it turns people away from going here.

I know the hydro corridor is right there and makes certain things more difficult, but some kind of either pedestrian bridge or tunnel to bypass the parking lot would make the experience better and frankly safer.

I hadn't thought to catch the 109 along Eglinton but you are right, that makes sense. It would be a little faster for me to get on foot. But there is maybe 1 or 2 stops between Eglinton before you get on the transitway so I assume it would still be a busy bus there, albeit maybe a bit less busy.

And I just tend to look at what google offers me up. I need to look into the 9 bus. I've never seen that pop up. The way I feel, I basically would rather take busses outside of this transitway to Square One because its just so busy whenever I get on, so thank you for that.

Honestly guys, I walk and drive past these two stations frequently, and its never very busy. In fact, the parking at the station always seems very empty... this doesn't help with what I'd wish, lol, but it seems to be the case. And even when I'm driving past stations more Easterly on the transitway, there hardly seems to be cars parked there either.

I know there is ridership, because when I've gotten on busses they usually are decently packed/rarely empty, but it does not seem of the park and ride variety too much.

You know, as I saw this getting built years ago and I knew less, I thought this was cool and it would help, but I feel like one of the main problems is it is so out of the way for the most part. Many of the stations are a trek on foot from anywhere close to where people live. The whole park and ride format is not really pedestrian friendly and is more akin to a GO train station.

At this point I kind of wish we had our own Eglinton LRT instead, running all the way East to West in the city... but if we had done that it probably would not have been built out by now, lol.

I too think a Mississauga Eglinton LRT makes sense. And then if you wanted to transfer at hurontario that would work because you’re going to have to transfer at square one anyways if you’re trying to get to the GO.

 

[robmausser]

At this point I kind of wish we had our own Eglinton LRT instead, running all the way East to West in the city... but if we had done that it probably would not have been built out by now, lol.

Well, the Mississauga Transitway was built with upgrading it to LRT in mind in the future, so maybe one day there will be one.

Id be so annoyed if I lived in that area and there was no walkway where the blue line I drew is and I had to walk the red line.


I realize most of the people that live here are probably old boomers that hate transit, but why as a transit agency would you at least try to not make things as accessible as possible?