[Jolene]

Actually, here... I'll provide the information for you - this source cites 26% of all unhoused people abuse drugs: https://www.addictionhelp.com/addiction/homelessness/
A high number, certainly, but not the majority you paint it out to be.

 

[Koops65]

I'd be interested to know the percentage of people, the whole country I mean, who are drug users. Is it a similar number?

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

I was not implying that- I was making a point that you want to paint a picture of these people as complete victims when they have had ample chance to find different situations to live. When talking about homelessness we cannot just lump everyone together. There are 2 different kinds, one is genuinely down on your luck and screwed by the system. The other is a series of poor descions x drug usage which is sadly the majority of cases when it comes to homelessness. The ironic part is that you want to paint me as a bad person for possibly implying the law should be enforced (the horror )… when in reality, that would mean cleaner and safer streets and either shelter with strings attached or go to a free rehab and addiction program (which yes Ontario offers that). But you would rather in your extreme version individualism let them continue to break the law, fall deeper into addiction and cost the tax payer more and more money because that’s their “human right” or whatever. Sounds so “compassionate”.

Putting aside the Gish gallop here...why is it important to you in what way I paint these people? They are human first. And deserve the rights, dignities and due process as anyone else has regardless of their status, as do you. So it doesn't and shouldn't really matter how awful, shady or of poor character each individual is or not here in the scheme of things...it is what it is. And it's weird you seem hung up on that...proving my point yet again.

...anywhoose, I think it's time to back to the subject at hand as I don't think this going anywhere save to the potential moderation round filing cabinet. Might as well agree to disagree and move on. Thnkx!

 

[ZachHiebert]

Putting aside the Gish gallop here...why is it important to you in what way I paint these people? They are human first. And deserve the rights, dignities and due process as anyone else has regardless of their status, as do you. So it doesn't and shouldn't really matter how awful, shady or of poor character each individual is or not here in the scheme of things...it is what it is. And it's weird you seem hung up on that...proving my point yet again.

...anywhoose, I think it's time to back to the subject at hand as I don't think this going anywhere save to the potential moderation round filing cabinet. Might as well agree to disagree and move on. Thnkx!

I never said they didn't deserve rights, I am simply making the case that a right to squat and break the law is a far cry from "Human rights", especially when alternative housing is being offered. And yea I'd love to move on but you keep replying...

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

...and off to my common sense /quiet dungeon we go.