[BurlOak]

They cant cut and cover the Scarb Line 2 extension. It goes under a creek/waterway.

It could just as easily have gone over the creek, Old Mill style.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

That is unfair......you know the communications department is dramatically understaffed ?

tell me about it...

 

[Hopkins123]

It could just as easily have gone over the creek, Old Mill style.

Yes, the TTC always seems to find new ways to make building subways as prohibitively expensive as possible. New builds being exclusively underground 100% of the route like what was done for TYSSE sets a bad precedent.

 

[Streety McCarface]

Councillor Josh Matlow: “The overwhelming response is of tremendous concern, principally because of the incursion of traffic that will result from this.” So he's concerned about traffic but wants to delay the opening of the system that reduces it. Right.

Seems to me that Matlow isn't that much of a "evidence-based transit" activist. This just proves that he doesn't actually care about better transit, but rather wants to incur the fewest expenses as possible while disrupting the fewest people as possible. Now that's fine for a politician, but not someone who claims to want better transit, it's pathetic.

I fully understand his concerns with the Scarborough fiasco (I disagree with his solution), but his concerns here make absolutely no sense. Sure, traffic on Eglinton is bad, but how many people actually drive on that street? In 2011 (before the bulk of crosstown construction started), it seemed to be about 15K vehicles per intersection, so I'd estimate 50-60K vehicles across the entire crosstown section. That's fine and all, but the Eglinton Buses carry about 75K Passengers per day together, and other buses that run on Eglinton (Lawrence East for example) carry at least another 30K more. There's also the Bathurst bus in this situation which carries another bunch of passengers (I don't remember the specific number). Forcing people to wait longer for better transit doesn't help anyone, including drivers but especially those that actually use transit.


Based on TheStar's own poll, it seems like Matlow's concerns are bogus to the vast majority of people, but I will admit, this poll is quite biased.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Yes, the TTC always seems to find new ways to make building subways as prohibitively expensive as possible. New builds being exclusively underground 100% of the route like what was done for TYSSE sets a bad precedent.

That is on the residents of the city. Torontonians complain too much, as seen by what we are talking about just right now.

 

[smallspy]

They cant cut and cover the Scarb Line 2 extension. It goes under a creek/waterway.

Not so. The station at York Mills was built as cut-and-cover, and they built it directly under the west branch of the Don River.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

 

[sixrings]

I live on Eglinton near Bathurst and they could have done the same thing at Allen but people who were consulted wanted to keep the allen open. Sometimes consultations suck. people sometimes think they know what they want but in the end prefer it the other way. Eglinton has been a disaster and I would much rather this thing been done sooner than later. No more delays.

 

[Richard White]

It could just as easily have gone over the creek, Old Mill style.

Then you have long term bridge maintenance which is an added cost. It is easy in theory but in practice not so much.

 

[Richard White]

Not so. The station at York Mills was built as cut-and-cover, and they built it directly under the west branch of the Don River.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

I believe the Sheppard Subway also goes under the Don river. I recall when it was built how they were talking about the ups and downs on the line which was a result of dipping and diving around the river.

 

[smallspy]

I believe the Sheppard Subway also goes under the Don river. I recall when it was built how they were talking about the ups and downs on the line which was a result of dipping and diving around the river.

No, The Sheppard subway passes overtop of the East branch of the Don. When you take the cycle path to the south-east of Leslie and Sheppard, you are riding on the bridge.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

 

[Richard White]

No, The Sheppard subway passes overtop of the East branch of the Don. When you take the cycle path to the south-east of Leslie and Sheppard, you are riding on the bridge.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

Ahhhhh thank you!

 

[asher__jo]

Yes, the TTC always seems to find new ways to make building subways as prohibitively expensive as possible. New builds being exclusively underground 100% of the route like what was done for TYSSE sets a bad precedent.

To be fair there are few areas where it could be built above ground, and the cost savings of elevated vs tunneled aren't all that much. And you have the advantage of tunneling being far less disruptive when being built.

 

[asher__jo]

Yes, the TTC always seems to find new ways to make building subways as prohibitively expensive as possible. New builds being exclusively underground 100% of the route like what was done for TYSSE sets a bad precedent.

Subways are expensive. The Canada line in Vancouver is a good example of doing things inexpensively, but it is severely under-built and there was questionable labour practices.

 

[Steve X]

Subways are expensive. The Canada line in Vancouver is a good example of doing things inexpensively, but it is severely under-built and there was questionable labour practices.

The consortium who built the Canada Line got sued and lost for blocking businesses and making them suffer by a complete cut and cover approach to build the line. Inexpensive, yes. Completely pissed off everyone who lives and does business there. Absolutely too. It's not 1949. The public also gets angry if they build it like the Yonge or Bloor-Danforth Subway.

 

[rbt]

To be fair there are few areas where it could be built above ground, and the cost savings of elevated vs tunneled aren't all that much. And you have the advantage of tunneling being far less disruptive when being built.

Tunnel versus elevated is similar but an underground station, particularly 30m deep, is 10x the cost of an above ground station; same is true of emergency exits.

Some of the techniques used in Barcelona on L9/10 (still under construction) are interesting. It'll be interesting to see how well the limited elevator/stairwell capacity handles an emergency evacuation; if they hold up then it'll greatly reduce station construction.