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If Richview Expressway were to have been built, the over and underpasses would be rubber-stamped. But for the Eglinton West LRT, sorry can't afford it.

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Just put in the over and underpasses that would have been used for the expressway and use them for the LRT instead.
 
WislaHD said:
Such is the way of transit planning in this city.

Canceling may not be the worst thing in the world, we would get an opportunity to do it right the 3rd time around.
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How long does one need to wait for that dream? Brampton cancelled their project and now nothing is being built. Personally I don't want to take that risk...

Also I took the bus home tonight and it was the worst experience. The bus was weaving in and out of traffic randomly breaking and often accelerating to fast. I'm healthy and in my thirties yet almost fell over twice. I officially hate the bus and desire rails.
 
I have get from eglinton west to Runnymede and annette for work. I run down to work but would consider the st clair street car home. Why not the duppont bus? Because it gets stuck in traffic. Why not the subway? I prefer to be above ground. St. Clair has more stops than a lrt but moves at a decent speed with a window. I recognize there is a Runnymede bus that goes to keele but I prefer as few transfers as possible. As a result I take my chances on dupont in an uncomfortable bus
W. K. Lis said:
Transit City came out of Mayor Miller, but cancelled by Mayor Ford.

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Even had the St. Clair streetcar extended to Jane Street.
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aquateam said:
They aren't as entrenched though. Toronto already had 90% of its current subway network when the SRT was built. Vancouver built theirs from scratch so there were no subway drivers worried about losing their jobs. Plus, they seem to accept private operation/maintenance of their lines (e.g. Canada line.)
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What evidence do you have that they're more entrenched in Toronto? Toronto had no SRT drivers to worry about losing their jobs when the SRT was built either.

TTC management seems to be an old boy's club that has been resisting any kind of modernization for decades. Blaming unions is popular these days but I don't think it's all that accurate.
 
sixrings said:
How long does one need to wait for that dream? Brampton cancelled their project and now nothing is being built. Personally I don't want to take that risk...
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Then don't vote for a Ford. I'd rather something get built than nothing too. Even a median LRT with no grade separation is an upgrade over nothing (just forseeably shortsighted).

But if nothing gets built next election cycle, then the following election cycle (2022-26 Toronto City Council) might decide to do it correctly.

Also I took the bus home tonight and it was the worst experience. The bus was weaving in and out of traffic randomly breaking and often accelerating to fast. I'm healthy and in my thirties yet almost fell over twice. I officially hate the bus and desire rails.
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But imagine how smooth it would be as a BRT. :p
 
I have no issue with buses, have been riding them for my whole life. Pretty positive about BRT.

But in this particular case, Eglinton West BRT would create a permanent linear transfer at Mt Dennis, and that's not desirable.

So, I'd rather see the light rail extended, even with the cheaper design the city appears to prefer.

The cheap choice will have some negative impact on other potential light rail corridors, making it harder to sell LRT to the public. I guess, life isn't perfect after all.
 
I do feel like we are going to have a disconnect between transit and built form though.

Build St Clair style transit corridor with fewer, wider stops, yet facing suburban residential built-form to the south that quite literally, turns it's back against Eglinton, and then the empty Richview corridor to the north that is going to be a pain to assemble into developable lots, with semi-expressway travel patterns throughout.

How do we reconcile these differences? What can we do to facilitate urban change on a corridor that really was not envisioned to look like this. This to me, seems like the toughest sell for street LRTs yet. Eglinton East, Finch West and Sheppard East are all corridors conductive to urban intensification and development as soon as the LRT is built. Here, only the north side between Royal York and Scarlett that immediately seems developable into an urban environment.
 
I don't understand the point of building "LRT" when you're basically just building a streetcar in a ROW. I understand LRT is a spectrum, but I think this instance is way too close to the streetcar side of the spectrum rather than the rapid transit side of the spectrum.
 
i think it would be nice to see development adjacent to the line and a more complete street with an urban feel, but the priority for this route is speed and reliability because of its connection to Mississauga and the airport. Most journeys on eglinton west will be of longer distance than say something like finch west or st. clair. So while I am fine with urban development along the corridor, it shouldn't come at the expense of speed and reliability. If we consider LRT as a spectrum, this should be closer to a rapid transit route than a streetcar, so limit stops and grade separate where it makes sense.
 
You know, the thought occurred to me that if we are building a "streetcar in a ROW" style LRT, then the Weston-Dixon to Airport corridor actually makes a lot more sense than Eglinton for that specific type of transit.

Makes for much easier Jane connection, interchange with Weston UPX (which becomes SmartTrack?), and the development potential for Weston and Dixon roads is a lot higher. You can build the idealized St Clair-esque urban corridor around such a transit line all the way to the airport.

I wonder what kind of ridership potential that would have.

Eglinton could have its transit problems resolved by BRT meanwhile.
 
W. K. Lis said:
If Richview Expressway were to have been built, the over and underpasses would be rubber-stamped. But for the Eglinton West LRT, sorry can't afford it.
Just put in the over and underpasses that would have been used for the expressway and use them for the LRT instead.
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Call it a Skytrain, a metro, or a subway, and the over and underpass would very likely to be rubberstamped because those modes typically has grade-separation requirements. LRT is such a fluid term, and that allows for "cheapening" to take place.
 
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