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nfitz said:
Ah, your right. I always thought that was Avenue Road from the circle north to Bloor; but it is Avenue Road. Never knew that

I guess Queens Park and Museum are so prominent that the stations make sense. Osgoode Hall is relatively prominent, but hidden behind locked gates and trees, so never seems as important - Opera House might be a better name today. St. Patrick street is a bit of a walk from St. Patrick station ... and also runs as close to Osgoode station. It's supposed to be named for St. Patrick church on McCaul street ... but that's even further away ... and quite frankly very forgettable. I'd think it would be more appropriate to call it Art Gallery these days ... or is it the old ward or parish that hasn't existed for years.

St. Andrew is named for St. Andrew's church on King/Simcoe street - almost as forgettable - though at least closer and a significant structure.
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Both St. Patrick and St. Andrew are named after their former city wards.

And Osgoode Hall is behind locked gates? Perhaps for private automobiles. For pedestrians it's wide open and a fantastic oasis in the city.
 
Just looking at Chicago again...why can't we finally call our lines by their colours and then name the stations as such?

For example...
Don Mills-Blue and Don Mills-Purple
Dufferin-Green and Dufferin-Blue
Victoria Park-Green, Victoria Park-Blue, Victoria Park-Purple

I think this is probably the best system to use. The "Yellow Line" stations can stay the same since changing the station names to this system wouldn't do any good (Finch-Yellow vs Finch-Yellow?)

If there is a time to put this system into place, it is now...since the E-W subway lines are ready to begin construction and the current Sheppard Line did not add any "North" stations to it...

Chicago used to use names for their subways then finally chose colours...ours would be Yellow, Green, Blue, and Purple Lines...Simple...sounds good to me...
 
CDL.TO said:
And Osgoode Hall is behind locked gates? Perhaps for private automobiles. For pedestrians it's wide open and a fantastic oasis in the city.
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I haven't spent much time around it ... but I've walked past the corner of Queen and University coming and going from the subway (from the west), and all I've seen is the 8-foot high iron fence with spikes on top to stop people climbing it. Looked like they wanted to keep people out - so I've never tried to go in (but as I've said, I don't spend much time around there). Not very welcoming ...
 
nfitz said:
I haven't spent much time around it ... but I've walked past the corner of Queen and University coming and going from the subway (from the west), and all I've seen is the 8-foot high iron fence with spikes on top to stop people climbing it. Looked like they wanted to keep people out - so I've never tried to go in (but as I've said, I don't spend much time around there). Not very welcoming ...
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That fence goes way back, to the late 1800's and are Victorian in style. I also recall someone telling me that the odd entrance gates, where you have to walk around a U shaped gate, was designed to prevent cattle from entering the Osgood Hall grounds.

But on the inside its an nice wide open area with a very nice historic building. The trees and fence do a good job of hiding it.
 
TransitPolicyChanger said:
But on the inside its an nice wide open area with a very nice historic building. The trees and fence do a good job of hiding it.
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Excellent! Learn something new every day ... I'll have to check it out, now that I don't think they'll be prosecuting me if I enter. Looks a much better space for a toddler than that dreadful concrete jungle next door to the east!

Now back to our regularly scheduled debate.
 
ON page 7 of the METROLINX report it says that Keele will be a "TERMINAL STATION." WHat does that mean? maybe I am just too tired to think!
 
nfitz said:
There's a mention in there that there may be a phased opening.
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Also which stations make the cut is still up in the air.

When the Eglinton Crosstown line is done I think it'll be the biggest improvement to transit in Toronto in our generation (unless the DRL gets built too, or if GO Transit turns into a S-Bahn type service).
 
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sixrings said:
ON page 7 of the METROLINX report it says that Keele will be a "TERMINAL STATION." WHat does that mean? maybe I am just too tired to think!
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It most likely means it is going to be the end of the line for a while and likely considerations are being made regarding how a large number of bus routes will end there. An alternate possibility is that it is the only station which will have a bus terminal which hopefully isn't the case because the Don Mills bus terminal made sense.

More interesting is that they need to run at 2 minute headways with 3-car trains for 2031 to meet projected demand. Please tell me they aren't building something that they project will after only 10 years need to run on a similar frequency to the Yonge line to meet demand. That means 15 to 20 years the thing is already maxed out. To me that means they should be building it as a subway.
 
nfitz said:
The first construction contract - for the TBM launch area - was awarded last week.

http://www2.ttc.ca/html/awards.htm

A $25.5 million contract for the EGLINTON CROSSTOWN LRT WEST LAUNCH AREA to KENAIDAN CONTRACTING LTD.
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I certainly hope the good people at Metrolinx are clever enough to get a great deal of contracts signed, preferably with large cancellation penalties, before the October election.
 
sixrings said:
ON page 7 of the METROLINX report it says that Keele will be a "TERMINAL STATION." WHat does that mean? maybe I am just too tired to think!
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A terminal station is one with crossover tracks (so trains can switch tracks to turn back) and sometimes pocket tracks to store trains temporary to turn back or to for emergency storage for disabled trains.
 
In terms of the station design, it also means that if there is any chance that this will be a long-term terminal, they will have to make sure they design public washrooms.
 
allabootmatt said:
I certainly hope the good people at Metrolinx are clever enough to get a great deal of contracts signed, preferably with large cancellation penalties, before the October election.
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Agreed 100%. Maybe include a few bonuses if the engineering group can get their project past a point of no-return before the election as well, so that Metrolinx can say "look, you can't cancel this project, it's too far along to be stopped now". But yes, I agree that they need to encorporate some large cancellation penalties into this. In fact, I would guess that the companies doing the construction would want them there too. If their work dissapears overnight, it would be nice to cover your costs, and then some.
 
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