DonValleyRainbow
Senior Member
Wow! What a difference that is going to make, that was such an imposing structure.
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Wow! What a difference that is going to make, that was such an imposing structure.
Adjei
Senior Member
Future Mount Dennis station:
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DonValleyRainbow
Senior Member
Future Mount Dennis station:
Your pics are broken.
Johnny Au
Superstar
Adjei fixed them.
Amare
Senior Member
Here is some additional info about the Crosstown West LRT. In addition to the city paying for the capital and operational costs of the extension, John Tory gave the city an even worse deal than we thought: the province will own the Crosstown West extension.
I wont even get started with Smarttrack, but we can now essentially confirm this: the city will have next to no say on how service in run in the city, and there will be no "Smarttrack" branded trains.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...llors-want-a-seat-at-the-metrolinx-table.html
I wont even get started with Smarttrack, but we can now essentially confirm this: the city will have next to no say on how service in run in the city, and there will be no "Smarttrack" branded trains.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...llors-want-a-seat-at-the-metrolinx-table.html
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I saw that when the report was released. I don't understand that at all. How could they manage to negotiate that new transit infrastructure to be built by the city would be owned by Metrolinx? Unbelievable. They're really tying to screw us.
cplchanb
Senior Member
NO NO NO to Toronto meddling in Metrolinx affairs.,.... all thats going to happen is stalled progress and rhetoric from both sides....on the other hand perhaps its time to debate the merits of having metrolinx assume control of ALL GTA transits and have them divided based on region...
ML North, south east west...?
Adjei
Senior Member
It's better to have Metrolinx to be in control instead of having these politicians meddle in transit which has screwed us over countless times. Too much political interference has held up transit with endless debates from politicians who have no clue on transit and pander to their constituents and votes who demand useless stops they won't use or don't want transit built in their "backyards". Look at the damage John Tory has done to our transit with his SmartTrack nonsense and because he has invested so much political capital in it, the city is being held hostage by in it in order to accommodate it. The only say politicians should have is finding ways to pay for the transit. They should have no say in what kind of transit gets built and where it gets built which they have screwed up on for so long.
Adjei
Senior Member
In an ideal world this would happen, and the only say politicians would have is on approving funding or giving them the ability to raise funds to build the transit needed.
BurlOak
Senior Member
One would think the provinces job is to work with Municipalities to create transit that is beneficial to both.
Instead, the province is acting like a bully trying to take advantage of their junior partners.
Amare
Senior Member
The only thing, is that it was really John Tory that put Toronto on the hook for paying all this unnecessary money that province never asked the city to contribute to. Metrolinx was willing to build the Crosstown West extension once funds became available, and had that been the case they would have been on the hook for the capital costs associated with the project. It was Tory who foolishly put his hand up and offered to pay for the capital costs, and ultimately allowing Metrolinx to have ownership over the extension, while putting Toronto on the hook for all operational costs.
Like I said before, Tory is the gift that keeps on giving for the province: he offers to pay for transit that the province already previously committed to fund in full, while saddling Toronto with unnecessary costs.
Adjei
Senior Member
The guy has invested so much political capital in SmartTrack that he will do whatever is necessary to make it look like it's a success.
Forgotten
Active Member
Where are the usual suspect Tory fans? Tell us about his brilliant negotiational acumen on his ScamTrack file! Tell us about his backroom dealings with Liberal squids whom are doing a hatchet job on the M1B! I don't see the poms poms...
Steve X
Senior Member
What really brothers me is having TO put money in Metrolinx' pot for transit. For Eglinton West, would TO even have a choice for a certain contractor or have TTC do some of the jobs in house or do TO have to pay ML whatever they decide with P3's. Probably better off with a P3 after all the delays with TYSSE but it would be nice if they have a choice for how the money is spent.
With ML having ownership over Eg West could mean one day Queen's Park decides to terminate TTC operations on the line and contract their own service with a different fare structure. TO is also on the hook for day to day maintenance for the line. I wonder if that translates to having to do emergency track work at TTC's expense. Furthermore, when the rails are at the end of their useful period, who's going pay to replace them. They might last only 10-15 years like how most of the Spadina streetcar tracks are worn out and replaced in the past few years. Does the city have to pay again for something that ML owns?
Sure ML should get the money from city hall to ensure that it survives the 2018 municipal elections but it leaves TO with absolutely no say to future LRT lines and ST stations. Furthermore, TO is on the hook for all the past GO Transit debt for system repairs that didn't benefit 99% of Torontoians. This can also open up to more money TO will have to pay for fare integration that benefits many 905ers. We still don't know what fare system will ST use.
With ML having ownership over Eg West could mean one day Queen's Park decides to terminate TTC operations on the line and contract their own service with a different fare structure. TO is also on the hook for day to day maintenance for the line. I wonder if that translates to having to do emergency track work at TTC's expense. Furthermore, when the rails are at the end of their useful period, who's going pay to replace them. They might last only 10-15 years like how most of the Spadina streetcar tracks are worn out and replaced in the past few years. Does the city have to pay again for something that ML owns?
Sure ML should get the money from city hall to ensure that it survives the 2018 municipal elections but it leaves TO with absolutely no say to future LRT lines and ST stations. Furthermore, TO is on the hook for all the past GO Transit debt for system repairs that didn't benefit 99% of Torontoians. This can also open up to more money TO will have to pay for fare integration that benefits many 905ers. We still don't know what fare system will ST use.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Do you genuinely believes funds would become available anytime in the reasonably near future?