[DonValleyRainbow]

Josh Matlow: "No one in Toronto knows how the proposed transit plan will be funded. Mississauga has told us how it's not going to be funded. "

I don't think the people on here who think it would be fair for Mississauga to pay for the LRT extension get it.

Yeesh. Only if we had implemented that Metrolinx Investment Strategy and had the costs covered by revenue tools already...

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Didn't Metrolinx say they wanted to use someone else to operate the eglinton lrt and the ttc and Toronto cried foul. I doubt they would pay paying to operate the line if it was someone else who was operating it. Now that they will be operating the line they are crying foul again at having to pay to operate the line. You can't win with these people.

Yes I think it came down to if it had problems and they needed shuttle buses the TTC said they wouldn't provide them if it wasn't being operated by them.

 

[Steve X]

Yes I think it came down to if it had problems and they needed shuttle buses the TTC said they wouldn't provide them if it wasn't being operated by them.

More like TTC will charge Metrolinx for them. So what happens for the ION, Hurontario LRT, Hamilton LRTs and the Confederation line? They are all to be privately operated similar to ML's desire to operate the Transit City lines way back then. Who pays for their shuttle buses?

 

[drum118]

More like TTC will charge Metrolinx for them. So what happens for the ION, Hurontario LRT, Hamilton LRTs and the Confederation line? They are all to be privately operated similar to ML's desire to operate the Transit City lines way back then. Who pays for their shuttle buses?

Mississauga is planning to run buses on Hurontario after the LRT goes into service. There is talk that service will be every 10-15 minutes and service stops between the LRT Stops

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Don't forget that a small parcel of airport land is in the City of Toronto, the area west of the 427 up to Dixon Road. Likely the LRT will still have to run in the City of Mississauga, but would likely be similar as the arrangements made for the Line 1 extension into Vaughan.

See link.

 

[DonValleyRainbow]

Don't forget that a small parcel of airport land is in the City of Toronto, the area west of the 427 up to Dixon Road. Likely the LRT will still have to run in the City of Mississauga, but would likely be similar as the arrangements made for the Line 1 extension into Vaughan.

See link.

I think I posted it here before, but here is a detailed border map again. Pink/purple is Mississauga.

 

[sixrings]

why doesn't the airport bus from kipling simply just swing off at eglinton and make a pick up on the way to the airport

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

1. So will Crosstown East be run through or will there be a transfer at Kennedy?
2. Stopping at Renforth is not a good idea.
3. Why almost 500 million to go to the airport?
4. Will the renforth stop be under the gateway?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

1. So will Crosstown East be run through or will there be a transfer at Kennedy?

It's planned for through service

Why almost 500 million to go to the airport?

Because the airport has airplanes that take people to far away places they want to go.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

It's planned for through service



Because the airport has airplanes that take people to far away places they want to go.

UTSC to Pearson is a long line. I hope they know how to handle this.

5. Have they eliminated Renforth as a stop area at all or just that station. Will there be a stop under the Renforth Gateway?

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

UTSC to Pearson is a long line. I hope they know how to handle this.

Me too. With the at-grade portions, I worry the Crosstown can come into the typical streetcar issue of bunching on a bad day.

Thankfully, the Crosstown will be short-turning trains at Laird (which should IMO be Don Mills instead, but oh well), so the tunneled portion shouldn't see greater than 6 minute frequencies ever. (Excepting a delay in the tunnelled portion)

 

[Rainforest]

When we have three groups of professionals evaluating a problem and coming to identical conclusions, I'm inclined to believe them.

Furthermore we know from other cities that airport rapid transit systems are amongst the most seldom used components of a rapid transit system. Airports aren't good at generating ridership.

Bus #192 from Kipling has a decent ridership. Of course, LRT trains have much more capacity than a bus, but you don't have to run all ECLRT trains into the airport. Every second train can short-turn at Kipling or another suitable location.

 

[Rainforest]

I do lots of that... If I am lightly loaded, I take the 192. Heathrow to Russell Square by tube with a full-size suitcase is also doable, but takes work. When I am overseas I pick hotels that are anywhere up to a km from transit, assuming I can trundle the last mile on foot (Rolling suitcases on European cobblestones is hell after a few blocks, I would add).

However - in Toronto, if you live on a residential street that is two blocks from the bus stop that takes you to Line 2 that takes you to Kipling, it's another story. Especially in January. Even with a small carryon suitcase. That's me. Stairs, puddles, slush, salt, curbs, squeezing on crowded buses - yes, it's cumulatively unappealing.

LRT will attract a certain number of air travellers, but the number has to be discounted because not everyone lives within a short walk from the LRT.

- Paul

I live in the Steeles & Dufferin area, relatively far from Eglinton. And yet, ECLRT will be my best public-transit option to reach the airport if the line actually goes there. I would take a cab to Downsview subway station, then subway down to Eglinton, and then ECLRT to the airport.

At present, my best option that involves public transit is a cab to either Yorkdale or Richmond Hill Centre, and a GO bus from there. But the GO service to the airport is very infrequent, typically one bus per hour.

The list of air travellers who can use ECLRT to get to the airport is not limited to those who live near an LRT stop. N-S buses, or an E-W bus plus Spadina subway, or even a short cab ride can be used to get to the LRT before taking it to the airport.

 

[innsertnamehere]

Steelers dufferin and you would take a cab to Shepard west? Just take a bus to pioneer village station, its only 1km or so down the road.

 

[Rainforest]

Steelers dufferin and you would take a cab to Shepard west? Just take a bus to pioneer village station, its only 1km or so down the road.

Actually, it will be about same distance from me as Sheppard West (Downsview). 4 km to Sheppard West, or 3.5 km to Pioneer Village.

But a Steeles bus stop is closer to me than a Dufferin stop, so if I don't have much luggage and want to take a bus, then Pioneer Village is a better option indeed.